Help need viewfinder hacks for compact LCD screens

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by John Smith, Mar 11, 2006.

  1. John Smith

    Bill Funk Guest

    They can do that in a far less intrusive manner by simply asking
    *buyers* to set up an account.
    There is, IMO, no reason to ask those who want to look at the site to,
    in effect, set up an account. Windowshopping shouldn't need an account
    (which is, in effect, what using a cookie does).
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 12, 2006
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  2. I'm not sure that's true. There are other ways of doing it, though,
    certainly.
    I do agree that for browsing a site it should not be required, only for
    actual shopping.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Mar 12, 2006
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  3. John Smith

    Bill Funk Guest

    Bill Funk, Mar 12, 2006
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    Prometheus Guest

    I am not sure I can find a link, I saw it in a televised interview where
    he explained how he obtained candid street shots.
     
    Prometheus, Mar 12, 2006
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  5. John Smith

    Paul Mitchum Guest

    Olympus C-5050/5060, used. On top of all the stuff you mention, you can
    store user settings for zoom, focus distance (without automatic focus),
    and aperture, for user-switchable zone focus. Great for street
    photography.

    Can capture RAW (ORF), too. Great little camera.
     
    Paul Mitchum, Mar 12, 2006
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  6. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    They're not being "hard" so much as short sighted. I see an awful lot of
    folks like that out there snapping away at arms length even when their
    cameras have viewfinders, and like you say, they stick out like sore thumbs,
    but I guess it's what they're used to. I'm finding I can live with it for
    most stuff, especially since I shoot a lot off the 'pod.

    As far as the wire frame business goes, I've already got the camera and am
    extremely happy with it... and chunking it just to gain the viewfinder
    wouldn't be cost effective right now, so a "hack" is about my only choice.

    It would be nice to have a quick reference device for those "from the hip"
    shots where you don't really want to be noticed.

    As far as the comments from the LCD crowd goes, that Ricoh has an OPTIONAL
    optical viewfinder and given their target audience for this camera is the
    serious photographer, I think that speaks volumes.
     
    John Smith, Mar 12, 2006
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    Bill Funk Guest

    All it really takes is practice.
    You've already got the camera, so practice is FREE.
    Take pics from the hip, look at the results, apply feedback, and
    repeat.
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 13, 2006
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  8. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    Oh, bull.
    If that's your technique, knock yourself out, but I personally would rather
    be more involved in my pictures than hoping for happy accidents as you say
    you do to get the shots.

    One other thing I find interesting. I've done a fair amount of googling for
    "street photography" the past couple of days, and I've yet to find any
    credible source that champions the technique you suggest for "serious"
    work.

    And finally, that technique seems a little too perverted for my taste. It's
    makes you look too much like an "upskirter" than a photographer to the other
    folks on the street, or worse, like somebody ashamed of what he's doing.
     
    John Smith, Mar 13, 2006
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  9. John Smith

    Bill Funk Guest

    I never said I hoped for happy accidents.
    If you read what I wrote, I was saying that, with practice (and this
    seems to be your hangup; you *DO* understand the word "practice",
    don't you?), you can make such shots.
    Well, others can, anyway.
    You mean practice? I refuse to believe this.
    Wow! Such a leap! Now someone who doesn't look through a viewfinder or
    chimp the LCD is an upskirter!
    A flash for you: just because *you* don't do something doesn't make it
    perverted.
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 13, 2006
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    ASAAR Guest

    I find that setting up accounts is more intrusive than accepting
    the occasional cookie. If your browser doesn't offer good cookie
    control (one of mine lets me override some of the stupider cookies,
    such as "delete after 20 years" to "delete at end of session") there
    are free and commercial programs that will add that functionality.
     
    ASAAR, Mar 13, 2006
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  11. John Smith

    Bill Funk Guest

    I think that an account, *if I buy*, is fine, and a cookie isn't
    needed just to look.
    Why should I need a cookie if I'm only looking? The vast majority of
    sites that sell don't need them; why does this site?
    Why should I need to traqck cookies that aren't needed? Why would a
    site hide their wares just because I don't want a cookie?
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 13, 2006
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  12. John Smith

    ASAAR Guest

    That's not the point. At least it wasn't mine. I agree that a
    cookie shouldn't be needed just to look, but if you want to look and
    cookies are unavoidable you have a choice. Forego what you wanted
    to see or deal with the cookies. And they're easily dealt with.

    I can't answer why any particular site uses cookies. Some sites
    may not be "hiding" their wares intentionally. Setting up websites
    is somewhat like programming, and it can take a lot of time and many
    iterations for less experienced web designers to get it right. Some
    might even eventually notice that cookies are required in places
    where they shouldn't be, but don't have the skill to make the
    necessary changes because they hired someone to do the original job
    and don't think that paying more money to fix what really "ain't
    broke" wouldn't be justified.
     
    ASAAR, Mar 13, 2006
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    John Smith Guest

    You'll find this interesting, Bill.

    I did some research on that "click and pray" technique you say you favor and
    discovered that many photography schools make their kids take to the street
    and take a boatload of shots without using the viewfinder (or even looking
    at the camera or their subject) as a teaching aid, so it does have some
    credibility.

    On the other hand, you really should check out this link.
    http://www.photogs.com/bwworld/xtol1.html. for a real perspective on the
    topic from a master of the craft.
     
    John Smith, Mar 14, 2006
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  14. John Smith

    Bill Funk Guest

    It's an interesting article, for sure.
    But Winogrand wasn't a god. His technique was just that: his
    technique.
    Saying you should always use a viewfinder is only his technique, not
    *the* technique.
    I sometimes do it the way described, and I sometimes don't. I've shot
    people without them even seemingly noticing, using my DRebel; and it's
    not a camera easily ignored. What can be called 'snapshots', because
    they are taken in a 'snap' fashion: a quick look in the viewfinder to
    frame, and 'snap': press the shutter. I also do this without using the
    viewfinder; I don't mind cropping.
    The point is this: do what works for you. If it happens to be what
    someone else teaches, great. But whatever you do, practice. Without
    practice, you won't get good at it.
    What I tell people in my classes (very beginner stuff): you've already
    bought the camera; all the shots are free. Learn the basics. Take a
    lot o fpictures.. Practice. Learn what works for you.
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 14, 2006
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  15. John Smith

    John Smith Guest

    Un Huh,

    One of my favorite all times cameras was the Yashica Mat 2 1/4... another
    favorite in the point and shoot film category was the Yashica T4 with that
    great little prism finder on the deck.
    Ability to use that technique is not the issue. The issue is personal
    preference and common courtesy.

    What gets my fur up are these clowns who have no idea about your
    photographic background or accomplishments that answer a simple question
    about EQUIPMENT by insisting you have not earned the right to pick the
    technique you prefer and you damn well better go out and buy a book on basic
    photography because you clearly have no clue as to what you re doing.

    I'm not saying you can't get nice shots using the "snap and pray" technique,
    or that in some situations it's the ONLY way you can get the shot.
    What I AM saying, is that on a personal level, I get no pleasure out of that
    technique.
    I don't need to hide the camera, I'm not trying to sneak shots of people who
    would have strong objections to being photographed. I just need keep the
    camera from being noticed long enough so it doesn't affect my shot, so it
    doesn't stop the folks from doing whatever it is they're doing.

    The only time a stranger has the right to question your shooting style is
    A... If you ASK them for advice on same, or B. You PAY them for advice on
    same.
     
    John Smith, Mar 15, 2006
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