HELP: Please!! authoring with Ulead DVD workshop

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Sailor, Aug 1, 2006.

  1. Sailor

    Sailor Guest

    I have always done straight burns without chapters but now I've got a
    request to add chapters. I thought it would be no problem with Workshop but
    I am having a lot of trouble..

    I add my mpg file, still images, etc... then make my first chapter...
    it starts at the beginning of the mpg (I mark it) then I move the jog bar
    to the end point to where I want it, and mark it. So... I can set the in
    and out points of the first chapter... then I click the "insert chapter"
    button and a new thumbnail comes up... cool... but when I try to enter an
    "in point" for the second chapter, (illustrated by the thumbnail).. the
    second chapter thumbnail disapears and the new in point overwrites the
    original (as shown by the thumbnail of the first chapter.. it's really

    It seems that if I want to start the second chapter right from where the
    first one ended, that it will work... but I was hoping for a little more

    Either this software is terrible or I'm doing something wrong..

    Please anyone.. if you can shed some light I would be extremely grateful..
    Also, if anyone can suggest another prog, that's cool too. I need to be
    able to set a custom background for the menu and eventually have animated
    buttons for the chapters... For this particular project, it's a wedding and
    all I want is a still for the menu BG, and text buttons to link to the
    chapters... and I thought it would be easy :)

    Thanks in advance,
    Sailor, Aug 1, 2006
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    Jukka Aho Guest

    Chapters on a DVD disc are, by definition, merely "in" points. (The
    DVD standard does not really have a concept of an "out" point for a

    That being said, advanced DVD authoring tools (such as DVD-Lab Pro
    or Sonic Scenarist) allow more navigational control via Virtual
    Machine (VM) commands. These can be used for creating the same kind
    of navigational structure you probably expected to have with your
    "out" points.

    For more information, see
    Jukka Aho, Aug 1, 2006
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    All true, and another part of the definition of a chapter is that
    they are in order, one immediately after the other to the end of
    the story. Just like in a book. That's why you don't have "out
    points", only "in points" or "Chapter Points". (Odd trivia: the
    actual command addresses a point at the end of the previous
    chapter to make this Chapter point.)

    The Chapter is really properly considered as a "part of Title".
    The Chapter Points are a navigation feature that defines portions
    of the title. There is no need for a Chapter Point to appear as
    a menu selectable item. The Chapter Points can be automatically
    added every x minuets (say 5 min.) and have nothing to do with
    the way you break your video story into "chapters" or the points
    within the Title that you can jump directly to, from a menu.

    You can break your "story"/Title into selectable parts to provide
    your viewer with a means to take up the story from different points,
    or easily find where they left off viewing. While you will use some
    Chapter Points to do this, you shouldn't think of Chapter Points as
    only these points.

    The main thing to consider, about chapters in a DVD, is that they
    follow one after the other to the end of the Title. If you start in one
    you continue on from that point through all the following chapters.

    Now Titles don't work that way, they are each independent of
    whatever else is on the DVD. There is no required order to how
    titles will play. (You can establish such an order, (for a "Play All"
    button, for example, if you wish) It is much easier to specify the
    "end action" of a Title. Titles can (and should) have Chapter Points
    within them. You can make Chapter Points to identify the chapters
    you want for a "chapter menu" of the Title. ( You aren't required to
    have such a menu.) Also, a chapter menu of a Title need not use
    all the Chapter Points in that Title, only those you want to use.

    So, you (and your authoring program), need to be able to work
    with establishing "chapters" in two ways; as the needed navigation
    data and as the very optional chapters of your story, that can be
    accessed through a menu.

    If independent play is your goal, it would be better to create a
    number of Titles rather than depending on the chapters within a
    single Title. If you want both independent play and have a means
    of playing the DVD straight through, then add a "Play All" button
    to the Title menu/Main menu, where you select the Titles to play.

    Now, for an Authoring program recommendation; for me the way
    TMPGEnc DVD Author 1.6 (TDA) works, makes what you are
    describing, a simple, straight forward process.

    With TDA all you need do to change a menu component is to
    click on it. Just click on the background and a window will
    come up that will let you find and load a graphic or video clip
    of your choice. When you make your own menu theme you
    would select one of the Text only ( no thumbnail) layouts, the
    first one is Layout 6 #3.

    To have background music in your menu, you need to make
    it a "motion menu". To do that using a still image all you need
    to do is use your still image as the video portion and your music
    file as the audio portion when encoding to .mpg. If you don't
    have an MPEG encoder, you could download a demo of one,
    from the same site, above.

    If by "animated buttons" you mean the thumbnails, that's
    built-in; and there a number of tricks you can use to create
    almost any effect you can think of. (Basically any area of the
    background can be made to respond as if it were a "button".)

    TDA is a great little "workhorse" type of program, most
    people who include it amongst their video tools, find that
    it becomes their preferred tool for most DVDs. That said,
    there are other more capable authoring programs, DVD Lab
    Pro (probably the most "bang for the buck") and Scenarist
    ( recognized all time leader amongst professional authoring
    programs, and priced to reflect that fact.) ; are in that category.

    Ken Maltby, Aug 1, 2006
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