Help required please how to take a proper shot under this condition

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Garry Walker, May 19, 2004.

  1. Garry Walker

    Garry Walker Guest

    Hi,

    I require some advise please.
    I uploaded 2 pictures taken with a 10D and a 24/70L on
    http://www.classicfloatingfloors.com/photos.htm
    The top photo shows nicely the window louvers and the house, the bottom
    photo the sky nice blue.
    How should I have taken this photo under the same condition to get both
    combined? What would you do in this circumstance?

    Thank you very much for your help.
     
    Garry Walker, May 19, 2004
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  2. Perhaps a grey graduated filter would have helped.

    It is always best to get it right in the camera, but digital images seem to
    have lots of detail in the shadow areas that is not always apparent.
    I have taken your darker image and selectively lightened the building area
    using the adjustment layers tools in PhotoShop.
    (see http://www.bradley2234.fsnet.co.uk/temp/xxx.jpg )
    You can see that this has lifted the otherwise hidden details in the
    louvres, while retaining the sky tones.

    This technique does increase the noise in the lightened areas, so it is only
    advised as a way of rescuing an otherwise lost image.

    Dennis
     
    Dennis Bradley, May 19, 2004
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  3. Garry Walker

    Garry Walker Guest

    Hi Dennis,

    Thank you very much for this.
    Do you say it would be impossible to get it right to get a good shot in
    this condition?
    I don't have a grey filter. Do you really think it would help or is
    there maybe a shooting technique which would do the trick?

    I like your amended image. I know this is not a PS forum, but could you
    please quickly explain, what steps you made to come to this result?

    Thanks again.
     
    Garry Walker, May 19, 2004
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  4. Garry Walker

    dadiOH Guest

    Simple answer: no way to do it without supplemental light.

    Usually, one would first think of a polascreen but the sun position is wrong
    here and there will be no polarized light from the sky to filter.

    As another poster suggested, you could use a graduated grey filter. You
    could also use a piece of black cardboard to slightly vignette the sky area
    but both are far less than precise.

    What is needed is to increase the light coming from the house thus allowing
    less exposure thus darkening the sky. IOW, flash.

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    dadiOH, May 19, 2004
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  5. The problem is that you overexposed the sky to brighten the house, which was
    somewhat in shadow. Putting more light on the house probably isn't
    practical, but careful, custom printing can make the picture better. I
    copied both of the pix into Paint Shop Pro. The results were better with
    the darker of the two. Even the one-click Enhance Photo function brightened
    the picture enough to show the house well, while leaving the sky blue - but
    not as deep blue as in the original. Working with the film, or a scan from
    the film, would let one do better, because the film has a wider dynamic
    range.
     
    Marvin Margoshes, May 19, 2004
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  6. As you say, probably not appropriate to explain on this newsgroup, but I
    have set up an explanation using a masked adjustment layer on
    http://www.bradley2234.fsnet.co.uk/photoex/ex1.htm
    Regards
    Dennis
     
    Dennis Bradley, May 19, 2004
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  7. My experience of film-v-digital is that the digital image from my camera has
    more shadow detail than a negative or slide scan.
    Although the film probably does have wider dynamic range, if you have a poor
    scanner, as I obviously do, then you are limited by the dynamic range of the
    scanner.

    I am probably talking through of my hat on this one, but I am sure there
    are others in the newsgroup with a good grasp of the technological facts.
    Looking forward to learning more as the thread develops.

    Dennis
     
    Dennis Bradley, May 19, 2004
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  8. Garry Walker

    RSD99 Guest

    Wait until the house is NOT back-lit.

    It looks like the picture was taken in mid-to-late afternoon ... what is the lighting like
    in early morning?
     
    RSD99, May 19, 2004
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  9. I think a flash powerful enough to fill the shadows on the house might be
    classed as a weapon of mass destruction :)

    Dennis
     
    Dennis Bradley, May 19, 2004
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  10. Garry Walker

    McLeod Guest

    Another easy technique I watched a fashion photographer use was to
    make two exposures, one for the house, one for the sky, and paint the
    sky layer into the other one. Of course, this requires a tripod
    unless you want to spend hours in post processing, but it's a very
    easy way to do it.
     
    McLeod, May 19, 2004
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  11. Garry Walker

    dadiOH Guest

    Not at all...duck soup with a between the lens shutter with something like a
    Metz potato masher. Even a small flash like a Vivitar 283 could be used to
    do it by making multiple exposures at the fastest shutter speed so that the
    aggregate total would = correct exposure.

    Harder to do with a focal plane shutter but it can be done. Besides, you'd
    be surprised how much a flash can bump shadow detail.

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    dadiOH, May 20, 2004
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  12. Garry Walker

    Garry Walker Guest

    Hi Dennis,

    Thank you very much for your detailed description on this and the time
    you spent to explain it!
    Much appreciated.

    I owe you a beer next time you come to Australia.

    Cheers :)
     
    Garry Walker, May 20, 2004
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  13. Garry Walker

    Garry Walker Guest


    The front of the house is only bright in summer.
    the front points south (think Downunder).
    It was at around 11AM.
     
    Garry Walker, May 20, 2004
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  14. If I ever get round to visiting that great continent, I will keep you to
    your promise :)

    Dennis
     
    Dennis Bradley, May 20, 2004
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  15. Garry Walker

    RSD99 Guest

    Ouch ... then your best option(s) would be

    (1) Provide some additional lighting ... fill flash, if you wish. You might be able to do
    some good with white cardboard reflectors, but it would be cumbersome

    or

    (2) PhotoShop adjustment(s) ... similar to those posted by 'McLeod' 'Dennis Bradley' and
    so forth.
     
    RSD99, May 20, 2004
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