Help! Which one JVC GR-HD1 or Panasonic AG-DVX100?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by ShootEditPlay, Nov 8, 2003.

  1. So, I am looking to upgrade my camera for a project that I am going to
    shoot starting in Dec/Jan time frame.

    For my small projects I currently use a Sony DCR-TRV900 that has
    served me well for many years. But I think it is time to move up to a
    new one. I am looking at two cameras right now, but please recommend
    any others that I should be looking at.

    The first one I am looking at is the JVC GR-HD1 as an entry in HD. It
    seems to get great reviews on image quality for being a single CCD
    camera. But I have heard some negative feedback about its ability to
    interface with a Mac running OS X (I use a G5 with Final Cut Pro). I
    have also heard that the cameras advanced fine tuning features aren't
    really that good.

    The second camera I am looking at is the Panasonic AG-DVX100. I have
    played with this camera and have been very impressed with its
    abilities. Several people have told me to look at going this
    direction. I have always believed that a good 3 CCD camera is the way
    to go for picture color and image quality. But the fact that it is
    not yet an HD camera is holding me back.

    I am torn between the lure of the JVC HD and the quality and ability
    of the 3CCD Panasonic. The prices are very close so that isn't a
    factor for this project. If I do go with the JVC I know my customers
    setup will do HD and I think they would be pleased with it. But it
    was not a requirement.

    I usually don't buy a new camera every year, and would like to make
    whatever I buy last for about 3 to 4 years (as my Sony has). I just
    don't know what to do on this one.

    So, what do people think?

    Is the first low cost HD camera worth it or should I go with the tried
    and true 3CCD?

    Is there another HD Prosumer level camera from Sony, Canon or
    Panasonic on the way soon that I haven't yet read about?

    Or should I just stick it out with my good old Sony DCR-TRV900 for now
    and wait a bit longer to see what happens?

    Any advice or insight on this decision would be of great help.

    Thanks!

    - ShootEditPlay
     
    ShootEditPlay, Nov 8, 2003
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    Joe Guest

    HD still hasn't taken over in American living rooms - and probably won't for
    another couple of years - so the resolution of the jvc will be wasted unless
    you plan on doing film transfers. The Panasonic is set apart solely based
    upon it's 24p function - So, if you need a film-look for your projects -
    this is the camera to buy... Otherwise, if your just shooting 60i video, and
    don't really need a film-look - just keep on with your Sony - Eventually
    someone will develop a high-def 24p mini-DV that has native 16x9 and 3 high
    res chips- Then you can buy that... By the way- The JVC records compressed
    mpeg2 in order to get the high def image onto DV tape- this could introduce
    artifacting, and also makes it harder to find an editing program that
    supports it. The Panasonic is now supported by both FCP and Vegas Video
     
    Joe, Nov 8, 2003
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  3. Seems to me that if you are going to output only HD in the
    future, the JVC (many as its shortcomings reportedly are)
    is the way to go on a tight budget (but with the possible editing
    problems/shortcomings considered...); if you are going to
    continue to produce mostly SD material for a while, then the
    Panasonic DVX100/80 and Sony VX2000/2100/PD150/170
    (which can use your current batteries) or a couple of other
    possibilities in 3-CCD SD cameras may be the way to go,
    unless the TRV900 continues to be adequate for your
    purposes, in which case, why not just save your money...?
     
    David Ruether, Nov 8, 2003
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    MitchGross Guest

    The JVC is a seriously underperforming design for HD. $3500 buys you $3000
    worth of resolution and $500 of everything else. It's a terrible little camera
    and I would never recommend it to anyone. The Panasonic is a very nice little
    camera and a very nice step up from your current camcorder.

    JVC is infamous for innovating with new formats and concepts, but never quite
    following through in the end. The little HD camera has spawned a new standard
    known as "HDV" and a number of manufacturers will be coming out with cameras
    and other gear in this format shortly. I would expect to see at least a couple
    of cameras in this format at NAB in April. All the more reason not to invest
    in the JVC camcorder now.

    Mitch
     
    MitchGross, Nov 9, 2003
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  5. I work for a major video equipment reseler. Stay away from the JVC HD
    cameras. As far as I can tel, there is NO way to get the highdef
    footage off the camera in HD format. The best you can do is import
    the footage as MPG2 (can you say compression) into their editing
    application. The lite version comes with the camera. You cannot
    transcode this footage to any other format with the version of the
    software that comes with the camera. You can with the fullversion
    which you willhave to buy.

    Here's the heart of the issue for me. What good is it to say I am
    recording in HD if I can only get the footage off as MPG2? The camera
    has cables for the usual composite AND it has a cable for component.
    This is the only thing that could save you. Still,you will need a
    component deck to grab the footage and THEN import it via SDI or
    whatever into an editing system.

    Unless others are seeing something in the manuals Iam not, I would say
    everyone is much better off going with the Panasonic for the time
    being. Unlessyou aonly want to make good looking DVDs.

    Name witheld.
     
    Put Your Name Here, Nov 11, 2003
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  6. Sorry for the spelling errors, New keyboard.

    Name witheld
     
    Put Your Name Here, Nov 11, 2003
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    Brian Quandt Guest

    IS TOO (a way)!

    My company has released tools to support the JVC HD camera. For as
    little as $199, you can import the HD footage directly into an Apple
    running Final Cut Pro via the 1394 connector (IN HD 720P30 mode!).

    Here's the link:

    http://www.heuris.com/MPEGProducts/IndieHDToolkit/index.htm

    We also have a free whitepaper which explains the entire process, to
    download you are going to want the one called "A Simple HD Workflow
    All by Firewire - JVC GRHD1; JYHD10U to Apple Final Cut Pro to DVHS"

    from this link

    http://www.heuris.com/MPEGSupport/Whitepapers/index.asp


    Brian





     
    Brian Quandt, Nov 24, 2003
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