Here is two I forgot to submit to SI :Street:

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Sebnem, Jan 8, 2013.

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    Peter Guest

    I got them when I upgraded to Studio7
     
    Peter, Jan 10, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:27:32 -0800 (PST), Sebnem
    :
    : >On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:19:30 PM UTC, Tony Cooper wrote:
    : >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 13:18:42 -0800 (PST), Sebnem
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    : >> >First I have to admit I was kind of hoping to see a more exciting bunch.
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    : >> >Here is two which I completely forgot about. I took these before Christmas + Hogmanay and didn't touch the camera since.
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    : >> >Both photos taken at a typical main street of a Glasgow town, Rutherglen. My first go at taking photos on street and I will appreciate your honest comments.
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    : >> >https://www.dropbox.com/s/psskoij9yysa00n/Main street.JPG
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    : >>
    : >> Get closer. There's too much in the frame. Like the one below, it
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    : >> could be improved by cropping vertically just to the right of the blue
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    : >> sign.
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    : >> I cropped it down to just the woman and the vertical elements in the
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    : >> building beside her. It's not that good an image because the woman is
    : >>
    : >> not in focus, but it reduces the scene to something the eye can take
    : >>
    : >> it.
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    : >> Here's my version:
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    : >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9akk2459ktppkym/Main street2.jpg
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    : >Agreed, I thought it was too busy but didn't think of a tighter crop. This is a great improvement on the original though I kind of prefer Duck's version, I thought the link between this woman and the hair dresser was an obvious one.
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    : Here's a beauty shop patron:
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    : https://www.dropbox.com/s/mzulwze9x2zfe7x/2010-03-04-1.jpg

    Tony, what strikes me about that picture is that it's too tightly cropped on
    the left. The subject is looking in that direction, but there's no space for
    her to be looking into. The sliver of the next-door window is distracting
    without being informative. And for those who detest centering (I don't as a
    rule), this cropping places the subject's head right on the vertical
    centerline. And the height of the picture (of which I approve: you do want to
    show the barber pole) exaggerates the effect. You remarked the other day that
    it's your style to crop closely, which is fine. But this is an example of why
    I think you sometimes apply that custom too stringently.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jan 13, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    While I do understand your point, you should understand that the
    composition desired is not always the composition available.

    This image was taken with my 55/200m lens at full zoom (200mm = 300mm
    in 35mm) in portrait mode. It was taken on a short trip my wife and I
    made up to Tallahassee. We stopped for lunch in some small town off
    the beaten track. My wife and I were sitting on a bench in front of
    the restaurant and I saw that woman down the row of stores and grabbed
    a shot.

    Here is a .jpg made from the original .dng file. All I did was
    convert it to .jpg since some people have trouble opening .dng Dropbox
    links:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/fugg2am5dmnditb/2010-03-04-5.jpg

    As you can see, I didn't lose much in front of her in the cropping. I
    don't remember the scene exactly, but there was something else to the
    left of that silver pole in the above that made landscape mode
    unattractive. Something to do with that dark shadow at the lower
    left.

    While I don't think your comments apply to this particular image, I do
    agree with them in theory. Mostly. I'd prefer space in front of her.
    I'm not worried about the face on the centerline, though.

    Sometimes, nature and people just don't go along with what we want in
    image composition.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jan 13, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    I took a look at this one, and I have to agree with you, there is no
    way to avoid a non-standard crop.

    That said, there were a couple of other issues which I noticed and I
    believe they relate to your 55-200mm. The image has has a softness and
    OOF character to it. The one area this shows quite obviously is at the
    toe of her shoe. This is not due to subject movement. You shot at
    1/1000 @ f/5.6. I think that if you had stopped down to somewhere
    between f/8-f/11. I checked some of the reviews of the lens and folks
    such as Thom Hogan note that at the long tele end at f/5.6 the lens
    exhibits some softness.

    The other issue is CA, and if you check her right hand resting on her
    knee, the purple fringing is undeniable. Hogan also notes this, and
    says that at f/8 CA is virtually missing.
    Here is a 100% crop of the areas I noticed.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/2010-030045-crop.jpg >

    Cameralabs.com comes to this conclusion:
    "The Nikkor DX 55-200mm VR is one of the best value lenses around right
    now for Nikon DSLRs. It’s compact, light and perfectly complements the
    DX 18-55mm kit lens, extending the effective range to 300mm for useful
    telephoto coverage. The addition of Vibration Reduction effectively
    reduces camera shake and in order to support AF on its entry-level
    DSLRs, Nikon had to equip the lens with a quick and quiet SWM focusing
    motor which gives the DX 55-200mm VR a degree of classiness that’s
    absent on rival budget telephoto zooms."

    ....and here is the relevant point regarding this sub-thread:

"At this
    price point though you shouldn’t expect miracles, and indeed the DX
    55-200mm VR can suffer from fringing and softness, especially at longer
    focal lengths."

    All of the issues i bring up here I have experienced with my 18-200mm
    if I shoot wide open at 200mm, softness, and quite ugly CA. So I use
    the VR, and stop down to f/8-f/11 when going long. I also check for CA
    when processing RAW files in LR or ACR after applying the lens profile,
    and adjust accordingly. LR makes this quite easy.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 13, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : >Tony, what strikes me about that picture is that it's too tightly cropped on
    : >the left. The subject is looking in that direction, but there's no space for
    : >her to be looking into. The sliver of the next-door window is distracting
    : >without being informative. And for those who detest centering (I don't as a
    : >rule), this cropping places the subject's head right on the vertical
    : >centerline. And the height of the picture (of which I approve: you do want to
    : >show the barber pole) exaggerates the effect. You remarked the other day that
    : >it's your style to crop closely, which is fine. But this is an example of why
    : >I think you sometimes apply that custom too stringently.
    : >
    : >Bob
    :
    : While I do understand your point, you should understand that the
    : composition desired is not always the composition available.
    :
    : This image was taken with my 55/200m lens at full zoom (200mm = 300mm
    : in 35mm) in portrait mode. It was taken on a short trip my wife and I
    : made up to Tallahassee. We stopped for lunch in some small town off
    : the beaten track. My wife and I were sitting on a bench in front of
    : the restaurant and I saw that woman down the row of stores and grabbed
    : a shot.
    :
    : Here is a .jpg made from the original .dng file. All I did was
    : convert it to .jpg since some people have trouble opening .dng Dropbox
    : links:
    : https://www.dropbox.com/s/fugg2am5dmnditb/2010-03-04-5.jpg
    :
    : As you can see, I didn't lose much in front of her in the cropping. ...

    Yup, I see your point. I've had the same thing happen countless times.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jan 13, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:27:27 -0800, Savageduck


    Cropped image at:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/mzulwze9x2zfe7x/2010-03-04-1.jpg
    Yes, I learned about the softness at the full zoom some time ago. I
    usually back-off a bit now, but this image was taken March, 2010.

    Like a lot of my shots, it was a grab shot. I had been shooting an
    urban hawk and had the speed set at 1/1000. (Not so urban, but it was
    a surprise to see the hawk that near a downtown area) I saw the
    woman, thought it was a shot, and wheeled and fired. There were some
    other people on the sidewalk that I didn't want in the shot, so I
    didn't take more shots.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jan 13, 2013
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