Hey Canon!! -Take a cue from Nikon!!

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Mark², Oct 4, 2006.

  1. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    As a Canon guy, I must say that Nikon just set a good example for Canon by
    releasing a VERY extensive firmware upgrade for the D2X, D200 and D2Hs.
    Changes include major differences including more ISO choices, menu changes,
    and more functionality to buttons.

    Look here if you're curious:
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0610/06100301nikonfirmware.asp

    So to Canon:

    ALL I ASK is that you give the ONE button on my 5D that I've never EVER
    pushed...some choices in functionality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What button??
    -Why, it's the useless "PRINT" button!!!!

    AAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Canon!!
    Are you listening?????????????????

    With the flick of your software wrist, you could make that button
    programmable.

    Do it!!!!!!!!!

    Sheesh.

    -M²
     
    Mark², Oct 4, 2006
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  2. Mark²

    Bill Guest

    Why are you posting this in the groups? Canon does not monitor these
    groups, and yelling about it won't help. Have you sent an email to
    Canon asking if it's possible?
    What about the icon for the button? Having it labeled for something it
    is not (when changed via program) doesn't help.

    And if Canon wanted a programmable button, they could have done it a
    long time ago. Maybe they don't want to look like they copied Nikon?
     
    Bill, Oct 4, 2006
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  3. Mark²

    Philippe Guest

    Say what you mean, man.. Don't hold back.. Keeping frustration inside is
    unhealthy..
    ;)
    P.
     
    Philippe, Oct 4, 2006
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  4. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    Some of their reps do indeed read this group.

    Have you sent an email to
    Yes.
     
    Mark², Oct 4, 2006
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  5. Mark²

    Bill Guest

    Oh well that's different, I'm sure we'll see a response from one of
    them any second...
    And what was the response?
     
    Bill, Oct 4, 2006
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  6. Mark²

    Jon Guest

    Yeah, you are right. What a useless button.

    And yet, there are much more useful uses it could be, such as mirror lockup
    for example.
     
    Jon, Oct 4, 2006
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  7. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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  8. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    Sarcasm noted...but here's hoping.

    But don't kid yourself into thinking that they don't "take the pulse" of the
    digital crowd via places like NGs and forums.
    They do.

    They DID add spot metering to the 5D...even though it's not a 1 Series
    digital...so they have indeed made some changes people were asking for.
    Heck...they even added spot metering to the 30D...so they do indeed change
    out of their practices from time to time.
    If you read my post, I think you'll guess the degree to which they've
    responded.
     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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  9. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    Oh brother.
    I've been posting here for 7-8 years.
    -Your whining about my post is far more annoying than me blowing off al
    little steam about a pet peave shared by EVERY 5D owner.
    You were irked about spot metering...but I shouldn't be about wasted
    functions, aye?
    Nice.
    Think about that for a minute.
     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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  10. Mark²

    Bill Guest

    And that means what exactly? That you know everything about all
    cameras and all shooters everywhere on the planet and Canon should
    listen to you?

    Do you think they just designed the 5D in a dark corner of their R&D
    labs and then released it without any user input at all?

    I'm not saying you're wrong, just that maybe not everyone feels the
    same. And by everyone, I mean everyone, not just the USA.
    Oh, so you do know everything...must be nice...
    Who said you shouldn't be irked?

    Please don't try to put words into my mouth...my girlfriend does that
    enough already.
    Hmm...ok...you're right. 10 years ago when they didn't have a spot
    meter in two of my camera bodies, I was irked. About two years ago
    when I plunged into digital, they still didn't have a spot meter in
    anything less than their top pro models.

    Ok, I thought about it and I'm still irked.
     
    Bill, Oct 5, 2006
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  11. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    What is your point?
    EVERY 5D owner who I've ever met, spoken with, heard from or read the posts
    of...on this or ANY other forum have shared this opinion, and if they have
    written anything about it, they have been quite vocally irritated. That's
    close enough to everyone for me. If you want to argue semantics, then go
    back to your girlfriend.

    As for you... I really don't know what your beef is.
    Whatever it is, I suggest you move on to things that photographically matter
    to you, and leave these issues to those they involve.
    Ah. I see.
    I can be irked, but despite the fact that I used no profanity or other
    offensive language, I must conform my posts to your personal and unwritten
    rules in order to express my opinion.
    I have little patience for folks who pick fights with people over a
    legitimate gripe for no reason, and who then commence to pretend I've broken
    some sort of self-proclaimed rule.
    Feel free to continue your blathering to the OTHER residents of my fairly
    small kill-file.
    Right in there with the other "choice" folk...some of whom may very well be
    you also.
    ;)

    Bye bye.
     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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  12. If you are talking about MLU, I like the way it works on the 5D. I can shoot
    a whole afternoon of MLU shots without ever touching a fiddly button or
    lever. On every mechanical camera I've ever used, it's required a fiddly
    operation at every shot; quite inconvenient.

    Putting MLU mode on the Print button wouldn't make much of a difference at
    all; it would have to be interlocked so that you couldn't set it
    accidentally, so it would take just as many button presses to change the
    state of MLU mode as it does now (since the menu system defaults to the last
    item referenced).

    And I'd hate it if I had to hassle with an interlocked button at every
    frame.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 5, 2006
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  13. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    I wouldn't want that either. There are always things to think about as
    safeguards against accidental use, but they are fairly easy to implement.
    On Canon's D series and my EOS 3, for example, they make you push down more
    than one button at a time for many functions.
    Were they to do that, you could actually assign 3 or 4 separate functions to
    that button by holding it down...while then pressing any of the other
    buttons on the back (menu, etc.).

    There are plenty of ways to handle it.

    On the other hand... A lot of my annoyance comes from how silly it is to
    have this button at all.
    Either USE the real estate for something USEful...or leave it blank.
    ;)

    Mark
     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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  14. Canon has other demographics than the American PC owner that they target; in
    particular, they'd like to sell to folks over here who don't have PCs.

    The world doesn't turn for your convenience, guy.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 5, 2006
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  15. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    Certainly not. No. But somehow I suspect that most who have the $$ (or
    Yen) to buy a $3000USD digital camera plus lenses most often have a computer
    to help them deal with the images it produces. Call me crazy...

    Obviously, but there's no reason to think I believe that.
    Of course not. They also have different offerings for different markets.

    How do you see the "general consensus" in Japan regarding the print button
    on the 5D?
     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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  16. Not crazy, just not aware that in Japan there are people with money and no
    PC.
    I don't read any Japanese discussion lists: it is my second language, and
    reading is at least twice as slow as reading English; I can barely keep up
    with Japanese subtitles at the movies, so I don't watch a lot of
    non-English/non-Japanese movies. The Japanese digital camera rags wouldn't
    give any indication of that sort of thing.

    The PC was slow to take off here, and just as it did, the cell phone came
    along. I forget exactly when, but people have been doing email on cell
    phones for an age here (at least 5 years) and cell phones do web browsing
    here (of content targeting cell phones), so there's not the need for a PC
    there is elsewhere. I'd guess large number of retirees here would be without
    a PC, although that is probably changing.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 5, 2006
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  17. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    Ya, but ya gotta throw a few gripes in here and there, lest you be labeled a
    Canon zealot...
    Watch-u-want to see? Please be specific, and perhaps I'll get in the mood
    for tedius, boring tests.
     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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  18. Mark²

    Bill Guest

    I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was being so obscure.

    The USA is not the center of the universe, so there are other markets
    to which Canon must cater, hence the inclusion of the print button.

    You may not want/need it, but apparently Canon believes that others
    do.
    As a matter of fact, full frame is of great interest to me and I
    follow all posts about the 5D. Just because I don't own one, doesn't
    mean I'm not involved or it doesn't matter to me.
    Who's picking fights?

    I'm trying to explain that your sampling of people is not the whole
    market.
     
    Bill, Oct 5, 2006
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  19. Mark²

    Bill Guest

    I tried to explain that to him, but he seemed to think I was picking
    on him or something.

    My Canon XT has a print button which I don't need nor want. My camera
    also has an audible beep to confirm focus which I don't need nor want,
    but that doesn't mean Canon should remove those features. Quite
    simply, I don't represent the whole world, so Canon can do what they
    feel they need to do in order to sell cameras.

    If that means I have to tolerate a few things I don't like, so be it.
     
    Bill, Oct 5, 2006
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  20. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    Exactly.
    Of ALL the important/useful adjustments buried under menu lists, they
    couldn't find anything more important that direct printing? :)
     
    Mark², Oct 5, 2006
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