Hi8 video Deck

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by B&B Musmon, Jan 21, 2005.

  1. B&B Musmon

    B&B Musmon Guest

    Thank you all for your replies on how to handle transfers from 8mm to
    my DVD recorder. So I am going to go with the suggestion to use a
    Deck. I am not going to get either a professional one or a new one,
    but a consumer grade with a good output should be fine, I don't really
    want to do any editing, which seems to be the main professional
    feature.

    I am considering a Sony EV-C200, I think it will do what I need and I
    can pick one up for a reasonable price. But it doesn't have a remote.
    This bothers me, not so much for the fact that I think I will need it
    but just missing parts gives me a problem. But I thought I would ask,
    if I want to do nothing more than transfer 8mm to the outputs so I can
    record it on my DVD Recorder, do I really need a remote. If the
    answer is yes, any idea where I could get one?

    I also have some questions and looking for ideas on how to promote the
    business, but I will do that in another post.
     
    B&B Musmon, Jan 21, 2005
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  2. B&B Musmon

    JT Guest

    Sorry to join the thread late, but what convinced you to buy a
    separate deck rather than use your camera for the playback capture? I
    used Hi8 for several years and it always amazed me that the decks cost
    much more than a brand new midrange camera.
     
    JT, Jan 22, 2005
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  3. B&B Musmon

    B&B Musmon Guest

    Your not late at all, I just posted this morning.

    Actually I don't have a camera. This unit would be just for
    converting 8mm to DVD.

    But I did toy with the idea of just getting a camera but a deck just
    seems like a better option, and I can't really tell you why other than
    it seems to fit with the rest of what I do. A good but used Deck will
    be somewhere in the neighborhood of $200, and designed for what I will
    be using it for. I even thought that I might be able to find a camera
    that didn't record any longer but still worked well for play back, but
    I didn't have any luck finding one of those, thought they would be
    very cheap.

    I may have given up on the deck I was looking at, started to get a
    little icky feeling about doing business with someone that wouldn't
    even guarantee against a DOA, but I did find another one or two that
    might be a few dollars more but still within my budget.
     
    B&B Musmon, Jan 22, 2005
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  4. B&B Musmon

    JT Guest

    Well, the form factor of a real deck has an appeal to it, and I would
    always have liked to have one. But the economy of a camcorder made me
    hesitate.

    I took a quick glance at eBay completed auctions and immediately found
    a nice Hi8 camcorder that went for $67 or so, guaranteed working
    perfectly. The list was long, and I stopped there.

    I also wondered if Sony Digital8 cameras (which I understand will play
    back Hi8) would digitize that Hi8 and put it out on firewire in the
    process. That would be a golden opportunity - I moved on to DV, and
    that interface is beyond wonderful, when it comes to capturing into a
    computer.

    I've since gotten a standalone box (ADS Pyro A/V link) that takes
    analog inputs and looks like a DV device to the computer, but for a
    while I was capturing old analog stuff by playing it into a miniDV
    camcorder first. Way better than the collection of analog capture
    cards I used to fuss with. Besides "perfect" capture and no worries
    about sound and video synchronization, you can operate the playback
    device from the computer, so when you press "record" on your vidcap
    application, the camera starts to play.
     
    JT, Jan 23, 2005
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  5. B&B Musmon

    B&B Musmon Guest

    Thanks JT for the reply. I have been bouncing around a bit on this.
    I was seriously considering a deck, but when I decided not to get the
    one I was looking at, I reverted back to plan "A", which was to find a
    camera that had good playback but didnt' neccessarily need to be able
    to record. I have found something that fits the description and I
    decided I would pay $50 plus shipping on Ebay for it. It shouldn't
    take very long for it to pay for itself.

    This would give me the facility to copy both 8mm and Hi8 to my DVD
    recorder. I don't think I need the DV capibilities, if someone has a
    DV camera they probably already can do what will be doing for the tape
    community.

    Who knows by the time the auction for this camera is over, I might
    change my mind a couple of more times.

    Thanks again,

    Barry
     
    B&B Musmon, Jan 23, 2005
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    JT Guest

    I didn't realize you were planning on selling a service. Are you
    playing into a standalone DVD recorder? If so, I submit that the guy
    who imports video into an NLE and manually cleans up the source and
    creates a nice menu will get the business, if he can control the costs
    of that somewhat labor-intensive process. People techie enough to have
    shot 8mm in the first place will be techie enough to buy their own
    set-top DVD recorder and do it themselves. Just my thoughts, of
    course.
     
    JT, Jan 23, 2005
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  7. B&B Musmon

    B&B Musmon Guest

    Actually the DVD from the recorder is just the beginning, then I bring
    it into the computer and do the real work that your are referring to.
    I tried several capture devices before using the DVD recorder and they
    were all awful. I just need some way of getting it off the 8mm. I
    am not even sure if it is all the good of an idea, and sometimes I
    think that investing any more money before I start getting some
    serious return may be a fools action, and now your comment on how most
    people with an 8mm wouldn't have any trouble doing it themself. Well
    at least one person can't do that because they are asking me to do it,
    but I might not want to invest in it for one job. I don't even own a
    video camera, I got into this because a friend needecd some video work
    done and I opened my big mouth and said it wouldn't be hard. Several
    months later and a considerable investment and poof it was done. So
    now I have all the tools and all kinds of time, so I thought I would
    try to get some work.

    Thanks
    Barry
     
    B&B Musmon, Jan 24, 2005
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  8. B&B Musmon

    JT Guest

    I don't know which tools let you down. For capturing analog sources I
    use an ADS Pyro A/V link ($150 list). It generates a DV stream on its
    firewire/1394 interface and looks pretty much like a DV cam, except
    that the computer s/w knows that the "cam" can't be started and
    stopped. It works gloriously well, i.e. delivers a flawless AVI DV
    file onto my hard drive every time. Any DV cam will do the same thing
    directly, and as I mentioned earlier you may benefit from looking at a
    Sony Digital8 camera to see if they'll accept analog 8mm and put it
    out on their firewire port.

    If your computer doesn't have firewire input, PCI cards are $12 or so.

    Given that file, you need a decent NLE application to clean it up. The
    snazzy ones include a lot of audio and video filters so you can adjust
    all the parameters just as you would a still with photoshop. They all
    include more transitions than you should use. Adobe Premiere and Sony
    Vegas are high on the list. They're fully featured and hard to learn
    to use, but not *that* hard. If you enjoy being creative and have the
    time, once you get going you'll have a blast. Your output, given
    decent footage, can look 100% professional. The programs are in fact
    used by professionals, although there is even better stuff in their
    stable.

    The final step is to "author" the output to a DVD. That entails
    creating the menu and the file structure the DVD wants. I'm not
    satisfied with any authoring software, but Ulead Movie Factory 3.0 is
    serviceable. At $29.95, it gives you motion menus and similar
    features. It's not a "professional" program, though.

    With the tools I've mentioned, you can turn out material that rivals
    what you see on commercial TV, at least. Given decent footage, as I
    said. And the s/w is unconditionally stable - a nice benefit since if
    you're doing a serious production you may have many GB of source
    scattered around that you'd like to keep track of.
     
    JT, Jan 24, 2005
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