High-impact, high-contrast, grainy ,B&W images from digital cameras?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Steve Evans, Nov 28, 2004.

  1. Steve Evans

    Steve Evans Guest

    Is this possible? Do any of the current crop of digis compare to the
    old high speed Ilford film? I only ask because onee of my few
    plesauares in life is taking pics of bums on hte street and i like to
    make the photos evocative ande atmospheric. What's the chances of
    achiving this with digital?

    tnx
     
    Steve Evans, Nov 28, 2004
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  2. Dean S. Lautermilch®²ºº³, Nov 28, 2004
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    Carl Guest

    Now there's a strange concept, taking pleasure in others' misfortune...
     
    Carl, Nov 28, 2004
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    Mike Kohary Guest

    Perhaps it wasn't the best choice of words, but why do you assume he derives
    some kind of morbid pleasure from it? I also take a lot of street pictures,
    and transients are some of my most compelling subjects. I find them to
    often be lively and always eclectic, with aged faces that tell stories all
    their own. I often talk with them and show them the pictures I take
    (digital is wonderful this way), and I find transients to be people from all
    walks of life, from the downtrodden to the downfallen, from the personally
    prosperous to the tragically wasteful. Just because the OP said he finds
    pleasure in taking such pictures, does not necessarily mean he finds
    pleasure in their pain. I take pleasure in this pursuit also, but it's the
    pleasure of documenting a harsh reality of life in every major American
    city, and being able to show people that it's real.

    Don't be so quick to judge. The great value of photography is in the
    ability to document moments in time, and freeze those moments forever. We
    should all take pleasure in shooting whatever subjects we choose, whether
    that pleasure has entertainment value or something more profound than that.
    The pleasure is in being able to tell a story with your pictures, and
    deriving "pleasure" from the taking of photographs does not necessarily
    equate to happiness or exploitation of your subject.
     
    Mike Kohary, Nov 28, 2004
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  5. Steve Evans

    Steve Evans Guest

    I think you misunderstand. that's not what it's about at all!!
    The ohter question that springs to mind is, if there's a digital
    camera that can do this without postprosiceessing, does it enable you
    to store more shots on one card than if you shot in hi-res full
    colour? i'd imagine there wpould be a considerable saving in the
    required memory.....
     
    Steve Evans, Nov 28, 2004
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    Carl Guest

    Interesting that you should think that I was passing judgement, Mike.
    Also interesting that you create the OP a defence based totally on your
    own approach to the subject - which I have no quarrel with. You wove the
    OP a philosophy regarding his choice of subject that is neither borne
    out nor supported by the scant few words he uses. I'm sure that if he
    feels the need to defend his position, he'll ride out from the walls of
    the Alamo wearing a white hat and astride a colour matched horse.

    Its a long standing joke in the UK that Americans don't understand
    irony, but please don't be guilty of adding flesh to the urban myth.
     
    Carl, Nov 29, 2004
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    Mike Kohary Guest

    It sounded like you were.
    I didn't weave the OP anything. I used my own perspective as a means to
    illustrate that there are multiple possibilities with regards to motivation,
    and that the conclusion you jumped to was too convenient and easy. It may
    be true, but there are countless other possibilities as well.
    Yes, I understand that bigotry exists everywhere.
     
    Mike Kohary, Nov 29, 2004
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    Carl Guest

    Sigh! Please excuse me if I don't take the time to explain irony. I'll
    put it down to your being American and you can put it down to me being
    English - its a national disease for us.
    ....
    On a serious note though, my approach is to ignore the fact that its a
    digital camera storing a colour image and just think Black & White when
    taking the shot - same as you would with a film camera loaded with
    X-Pan. Meter for the shadow detail and work with the lowest ISO that you
    can get away with to achieve the effect you want to create - you're only
    going to add grain in at the post processing stage anyway, so why not
    ensure that you capture the maximum amount of detail that you can.

    The secret of all good black and white film photography was manipulation
    in the darkroom, the digital darkroom is no different - it just doesn't
    smell so much and you're less likely to stub your toe in the dark.
     
    Carl, Nov 29, 2004
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  9. Steve Evans

    Petros Guest

    Carl posted:
    I'd say we don't understand British irony, steely as it is ;)
     
    Petros, Nov 29, 2004
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  10. Steve Evans

    Steve Evans Guest

    By God you really have your outlook pre-formed, don't you? I *am*
    English myself. I live in East Grinstead, about 10 minutes' drive from
    the Prime Meridian. And I do *not* enjoy seeing ohter people on the
    skids! I like taking pictures of them; that's all! THere's a big
    difference! It's a bit like listening to blues music. You don't want
    to hear the suffering in it from the POV of feeling you're in some way
    superior or luckier than the musician; you just empathise with them
    and share the pain, that's all.
     
    Steve Evans, Nov 30, 2004
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    Carl Guest

    "Bums," "Skids," I don't think I have my opinions pre-formed, but I
    think your language is coloured by them across the sea somewhat. Never
    mind, its not important anyway.
     
    Carl, Dec 1, 2004
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