How am I going to be able to use my VHS recorders when digital is forced on us?

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Alan Holmes, Jun 9, 2005.

  1. Alan Holmes

    Alan Holmes Guest

    At present I have two video recorders which I use for recording two
    different programmes at the same time, especialy when I'm out at the times
    they are being broadcast.

    I undersatnd that set top boxes are available for use with conventional TVs,
    but how will that help me record differet programmes at the same time?
     
    Alan Holmes, Jun 9, 2005
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  2. Alan Holmes

    Prometheus Guest

    You have to buy additional set-top-boxes, or integrated (hard disk)
    recorders (I was able to get a box for 10 GBP for the rare occasion that
    there are two interesting programmes on), not the ideal cost free
    solution, alternatively you could be more selective and watch less.
     
    Prometheus, Jun 9, 2005
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  3. You can do it just the way I already do it.

    One digital TV box for each VHS recorder, connected to the "second" Scart
    socket, i.e. the one that is not connected to the TV. The VCR instructions
    will tell you how to record from that socket.

    Note: if you have two digital set top boxes in the same room (e.g. one for
    the TV and one for the VCR) ensure they are not the same make - you don't
    want them both responding to the same remote control!
     
    Peter Duncanson, Jun 9, 2005
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  4. Alan Holmes

    Adrian C Guest

    By the time "digital is forced on us" - settop boxes will be under £20,
    i.e. affordable to dedicate to use with a video recorder. Actually,
    since you fall into that rare category of actually useing a video
    recorder to time shift (rather than watching prerecorded tapes as
    seemingly 70% of users admit to doing so), have you been tempted into
    the world of PVR yet?
     
    Adrian C, Jun 9, 2005
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  5. *****

    You'll need a box for each video recorder.

    But if you wait until analogue switch-off draws near, there's a good
    chance that you will have replaced (willingly or otherwise) your video
    recorders with, for instance, a twin tuner PVR.

    André Coutanche
     
    André Coutanche, Jun 9, 2005
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  6. Alan Holmes

    Pilbs Guest

    In a few years vcr will be dead anyway. You will be better using on of these
    http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/1990/source/kelkoo
     
    Pilbs, Jun 9, 2005
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  7. Alan Holmes

    OldBill Guest

    OldBill, Jun 9, 2005
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  8. Alan Holmes

    OldBill Guest

    You usage is non-typical so will be not be catered for. However, your
    VCRs will be scrap by time analogue is switched off. Then you will
    perhaps have something like a dual channel PVR that costs in real terms
    less than one VCR
     
    OldBill, Jun 9, 2005
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  9. Alan Holmes

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    The first thing you need to do is post only to the correct group....

    [ the wrong group has been cut from the FU's ]
     
    :::Jerry::::, Jun 9, 2005
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  10. Alan Holmes

    Paul Healy Guest

    Answer = Topfield TF5800 PVR
     
    Paul Healy, Jun 9, 2005
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  11. Alan Holmes

    OldBill Guest

    yeah! but where can I get one from where the supplier is not useless?
     
    OldBill, Jun 9, 2005
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  12. But what about those of us who have built up extensive libraries of
    irreplaceable videotaped programmes? And what about transporting
    recordings to other places? Are there machines that transfer from PVR
    to DVD or VCR?
     
    Trevor Wright, Jun 10, 2005
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  13. Alan Holmes

    Ad C Guest

    Why should his VCR be dead in a few years? People still got old tapes
    they like to watch and maybe they don't want to go out and pay nearly
    £200 for a PVR. I suppose a DVD recorder is ok, but I have looked at a
    load of these and so far they are all about as useless as each other.

    Anyway, we was told that the audio cassette tape will die in a few years
    and that was a few years ago. It is still going strong.
     
    Ad C, Jun 10, 2005
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  14. Alan Holmes

    Ad C Guest

    Also these PVR's can not really replace the VCR. They are fine for
    recording things you are going to watch and then get rid of, but some
    things you may want to keep.
     
    Ad C, Jun 10, 2005
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  15. Alan Holmes

    Ad C Guest

    VCRs can last for years, I got one here that is over 13 years old and
    still works as good now as when it was new, I also got a newer one which
    is about 2 years old and I am thinking of getting a third and keeping it
    in storage, so I got another one, just in case one goes belly up.

    PVrs are not a replacement, the thing that do replace a VCR is a DVD
    recorder and they are coming down in price, but they all seems to have
    problems, even the more expensive ones.
     
    Ad C, Jun 10, 2005
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  16. Alan Holmes

    Ad C Guest



    You can transfer to DVD with a DVD recorder, the same way as you would
    do so from tape to tape. There are problems here as well.
    Because you are making a second generation recording, you are losing
    quality, it do not matter that you are putting it onto a digital system,
    you are still recording from an analogue source though a analoguee
    system.
    The other problem si if you got pre-recorded videos, not all of then
    will copy across, due to protection.

    I think the VHS will still be with us for a good long while yet, even if
    Dixons do not think so, I see Currys are still selling them, which is
    very strange.
     
    Ad C, Jun 10, 2005
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  17. Alan Holmes

    Tony Morgan Guest


    Indeed. It's also noteworthy that the major AV companies are not only
    selling VCRs. but are still introducing new models.

    For example, JVC currently manufacture and sell no less than 19 VCR
    models, and have only just introduced two new-model VCRs (the HR-V615EK,
    and HRS-697EK).

    I'd also suggest that none of the Dixon Group retailers are the best
    people to get *any* sort of advice from.
     
    Tony Morgan, Jun 10, 2005
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  18. Alan Holmes

    Roger R Guest

    I don't think its all that untypical. All that I know have two set top boxes
    for this reason, or to watch one and record the other. Those who bought pace
    twins probably did so for the same reason too.

    Roger
     
    Roger R, Jun 10, 2005
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  19. Alan Holmes

    Adrian Guest

    In 3 years when analogue switch-off is supposed to start, there will still
    be millions of perfectly servicable VCRs out there along with libraries of
    tapes which people don't want to lose. People will therefore have to buy a
    new recorder (hard-disk or DVD or both) for new recordings and keep their
    VCR as a playback-only device.

    Of course, the problem with using a digibox with a VCR or other recorder is
    that you can't use the recorder's timer to set the channel to record. The
    solutions to that are clumsy at best and probably beyond a large proportion
    of the buying public who want ease-of-use, not a basket full of remotes and
    a nest of SCART cables which only their teenage son understands.

    I recently bought a PVR / DVD recorder which I got for a good price at
    Richer Sounds. The down-side of this unit is that it's analogue only so in a
    few short years, I will have problems with it. Why did I buy a non-DVB
    recorder? Because I wanted a hard-disk/DVD recorder combination and the
    options are very limited at the moment. It amazes me that the vast majority
    of models available on the high-street are still without digital tuners.

    If people can knock-out a STB for £30 with power supply etc, it must be
    possible to incorporate one into a recorder for about £15 above the cost of
    the analogue tuner - or even include both for about £20 - so why are we not
    seeing digital recorders becoming the norm yet?

    Here's a prediction:
    When the switch-off starts to happen, despite all the pre-warning, vast
    numbers of people will be caught without suitable equipment (particularly
    the elderly). Digiboxes will be in short supply and priced to take advantage
    of the situation. Digital-enabled recorders will be even rarer Aerial
    installers will be swamped with people who have left it until the last
    minute to go digital, only to find that their aerial is inadequate and their
    loop-aerial on their bedroom portable is a waste of space. There will be an
    outcry, newspapers will get involved and switch-off will be delayed for
    another year or more.

    Adrian
     
    Adrian, Jun 10, 2005
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  20. Alan Holmes

    Adrian Guest

    I don't think that I am untypical of VCR users either.

    Until recently, I did all my recording on two VCRs. I hardly ever watch
    pre-recorded tapes / DVDs and used VCRs almost exclusively for
    time-shifting. The second VCR was more often used to allow me to watch the
    first half of a film whilst the second half was being recorded. I now have a
    PVR which covers that scenareo much better.

    Adrian
     
    Adrian, Jun 10, 2005
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