How Do I Author HD-DVD Video Using Standard DVD-R?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Maxheadspace, May 20, 2006.

  1. Maxheadspace

    Maxheadspace Guest

    Greetings! I want to author HD-DVD video using standard (red laser) DVD-R
    disks, which I have heard can be done when played on the new Toshiba HD-DVD
    player. What software is capable of doing this? Are there any special
    steps to doing this? I also heard that menus don't work with this
    arrangement, and the video is limited to 15 to 20 minutes.

    My Computer:

    Pentium D 830
    Windows XP Pro
    2 GB DDR2 RAM
    Standard DVD +/- R /RW drive/burner (dual layer capable)

    Current Software:

    Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5
    Adobe After Effects 6.5
    Adobe Encore 1.5

    Camera:

    JVC GY-HD100 (normally 720p30, but sometimes 720p24)

    Any help and suggestions are welcome.

    Thanks much!
    Max.
     
    Maxheadspace, May 20, 2006
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    Smarty Guest

    It is really extremely simple, Max. I have been doing it for some time with
    excellent results. Ulead VideoStudio 10 Plus comes with the required
    "template" and software to totally master an HD-DVD which can be played in
    the Toshiba player using standard red 4.7 GB disks. It is true that the
    length of the problem will be limited to around 20 minutes, since the 4.7 GB
    disk has far less capacity than the newer blue-laser disks used in HD-DVD
    and BluRay players. (Many home HDV movies are well suited to a short 20
    minutes disk anyway, since the longer home movies tend to put everybody to
    sleep!!)

    There is a bug in Ulead's software which has a negative effect on menus, but
    I imagine they will fix this in an update. Specifically, the end of play of
    a particular track does not return back to the menu but instead loops in
    some cases. I have only seen this in some disks I have authored and have not
    made a real attempt to narrow it down yet.

    Much to the credit of Ulead, the HD-DVDs look wonderful and seem to preserve
    all of the HDV detail, color saturation, etc. You can also play these disks
    incidentally on any Macintosh running Tiger (OSX 10.4) since the Mac DVD
    Player software has properly handled HD-DVD format for almost a year now. In
    fact, I have been authoring and playing HD-DVDs using Apple software for
    nearly a year, and these disks also play on the Toshiba with no issues I can
    detect.

    None of the other low cost DVD authoring software on the market yet offers
    HD-DVD authoring to a red laser DVD that I am aware of. I own and use 9
    different authoring suites and Ulead seems to be the only one on the PC for
    the moment as far as I know. On the Mac, the only choice is Final Cut Studio
    Pro HD.

    Hope this helps,

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, May 20, 2006
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  3. Maxheadspace

    Maxheadspace Guest

    Thanks for the info, Smarty! One more question, though. Can I produce my
    HD video on Premiere Pro, save as a movie (AVI), and then use VideoStudio
    10Plus to transcode the AVI and burn it on the disk as HD-DVD, or do I have
    to use VideoStudio for the entire production sequence? I already have
    productions layered in Premiere Pro, and would hate to have to start all
    over again from scratch. Anyway, you pretty much spelled it out for me.

    Thanks again!
    Max.
     
    Maxheadspace, May 20, 2006
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  4. Maxheadspace

    Smarty Guest

    Max,

    I am almost certain that the output from Premiere Pro, if saved as an mpeg
    file, will come over to VideoStudio ready to be authored. AVI files are not
    typically used for moving HD material into or out of Ulead VideoStudio 10,
    since the codecs are designed to handle mpeg2 content typically arising from
    HDV camcorders. If you let Premiere do the transcoding / rendering of your
    production sequence and then import this rendered mpeg file to VS10, all
    should work fine.

    Incidentally, I believe that the trial version of VS10 has all the
    functionality working, so you should be able to try the experiment with no
    cost / no risk.

    Good luck!

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, May 20, 2006
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  5. Do you actually have the HDV codec/plug-in for Premiere Pro? If not, then
    you may want to get it.
     
    Larry Johnson, May 20, 2006
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    Alpha Guest

    Ulead's $50 Movie Factory 5 writes Blu Ray and HD DVD formats.
     
    Alpha, May 20, 2006
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  7. Maxheadspace

    Steve G. Guest

    A few questions:

    1) Can you author an HD-DVD iso/disc with this method (that will play on
    the Toshiba player) using non-HD source content (D1, Half D1 or CIF
    resolution) and H.264/AVC encoding? I would love to be able to take
    advangtage of the better compression codec on NTSC material to pack more
    content onto an existing red-laser disc.

    2) Is there any kind of theoretical or actual cap on the bitrate that the
    Toshiba player will support for HD-DVD content on DVD media?

    3) Does the HD-DVD (or BD-ROM) specification support author-defined
    video resolutions for either MPEG-2 or H.264/AVC? (For instance: 528x480,
    which is not currently legal under DVD Video specification, although
    some players will play it properly). This would be useful for directly
    authoring some MPEG-2 digital cable streams to optical media playback
    formats without reencoding to standardized resolutions.

    4) Which H.264/AVC encoders will produce compliant bitstreams for the
    HD-DVD format? Moonlight/Elecard, CoreAVC, Nero Digital, etc...I'm
    familiar with the names but without playback hardware (until now) I had
    no reason to experiment...

    -SG
     
    Steve G., May 22, 2006
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  8. Maxheadspace

    Smarty Guest

    Steve,

    I will respond to your questions your numbering scheme:

    1.There are no provisions for using H.264 in the authoring process that I am
    aware of. The HD-DVD disks can either use an 18 MBit/sec "standard" bitrate
    or a 25 Mbit/sec high quality bitrate, in both cases using an MPEG2
    encoding. Any content in lower rez will (it appears) become transcoded up to
    the higher bitrate (with no improvement in image quality).

    2.It appears the 25 MBit/sec rate is the Video Studio 10 limit. I am not
    sure if there are ways around this. The Toshiba player may, however, play
    disks authored at higher rates.

    3. I don't know. Perhaps others on this newsgroups know the specific details
    of the BD and HD specs on this particular point.

    4. I have not used H.264 to author HD-DVD disks, but see the attraction of
    doing so when the software is available to author them, particularly on
    red-laser disks with limited storage capacity. I would only be (extremely)
    concerned that the long GOP mpeg2 HDV content itself would be further
    degraded by transcoding into mpeg4/H.264, thereby sacrificing quality for
    playing time. If the original HD content came from other (non HDV
    compressed) sources, this concern would disappear.

    Hope this helps,

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, May 22, 2006
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  9. Just a few Blu-Ray facts:

    1. A single Blu-Ray disc can hold 25GB on a single layer BD-R write-once or
    BD-RE re-writable disc.

    2. Using MPEG-4 AVC and encoding at 12Mbps, a single 25GB BD-R disc will
    hold more than 3 hours and 47 minutes of High Definition video along with 3
    audio languages using full HD 1920x1080 resolution. Amounts of video time
    will vary according to the codec and bitrates used.

    3. The Blu-ray Disc supports: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC and VC-1 video codecs, and
    the LPCM, DTS, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus audio codecs.

    This should give a little perspective on what format/codecs to use for the
    Toshiba player in general.
     
    Larry Johnson, May 22, 2006
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  10. Maxheadspace

    Steve G. Guest

    Smarty,

    Thanks for the responses. I appreciate you taking the time. In my
    particular case one of my immediate interests in AVC isn't to recompress
    existing compressed sources, but to use better compression for new A->D
    SD captures; so I'm not primarily worried about generational losses.
    Any HD content I have are ATSC streams rather than HDV sources and I'm
    probably fine with leaving those in their original MPEG-2 format. Thanks
    again.

    -SG
     
    Steve G., May 24, 2006
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  11. Maxheadspace

    Smarty Guest

    Glad to help you, Steve.

    Smarty



     
    Smarty, May 24, 2006
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