How do streaming capture programs work?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by jpuopolo, Apr 23, 2008.

  1. jpuopolo

    jpuopolo Guest

    All:

    I know there are many apps that enable the capture of streaming video,
    e.g., from YouTube, Google Videos, etc. My question is, how do these
    work at a technical level? Do the application set up an HTTP proxy and
    capture the video stream? Install a network stack sniffer? Use some
    sort of DirectX (on Windows) app/code?

    I am fascinated how these might work...

    Thanks,
    John
     
    jpuopolo, Apr 23, 2008
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  2. I suspect the answer is "all of the above" and likely
    even more. The people who want to protect their IP
    are pretty tricky, and the people who want to steal it
    at the other end must stay nimble and ingenious to try
    to keep up.

    There are likely other forums where this is more a main-
    stream topic of conversation. I suspect there are even
    "secret" forums where pirates discuss how they are
    cracking the latest protection scheme. Arrrrgh. :)
     
    Richard Crowley, Apr 23, 2008
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  3. jpuopolo

    Guest Guest

    People who protect their IP by posting it on YouTube can't be
    all that tricky. And as for "stealing", if you (I mean that as a
    generic "you") voluntarily send data to my computer over the
    internet, don't turn around and whine when I handle that data as
    I see fit.

    This battle is not between content providers and pirates, it's
    between a tiny group of greedy bastards who're doing whatever
    they can to eliminate the control people have over their own
    computers, and the rest of us. Any company who implements
    half-baked schemes toward that first goal (e.g. Microsoft and
    their WPA, or Adobe etc) should be punished and, if they don't
    wake the **** up, eventually be put out of business. It is
    absolutely critical that people fight back against this kind of
    corporate fascism, because if we don't, one of the greatest
    technological advances in communication history will be lost
    in a cesspool of unchecked greed. The same way cable TV,
    broadcast radio etc etc were turned into commercial cesspools.
     
    Guest, Apr 23, 2008
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  4. jpuopolo

    Paul Guest

    I bet you didn't know, that even screen capturing the elements
    of a program displayed on your computer, is illegal :) Which is
    why, even a person making a training film, by recording the
    screen as a program is used, could be violating the law. So the
    concept extends further than movies. (Something to do with
    copyright perhaps ?)

    That being said, devices like Intensity Pro, or even an analog
    capture card, would allow recording anything that appears on a
    screen. Intensity Pro was designed to discourage that, by only
    supporting certain formats, from devices feeding it. But it
    would be something I'd want to investigate, if wanting to
    record the output of the computer screen.

    For intercepting playback content, the easiest way would be
    to intercept the frame buffer, as the image is rendered. Whether
    it is a data block in main memory, which is being copied to an
    overlay buffer in the video card. Or reaching into the video card
    and getting the image that way. That avoids the hassle of dealing
    with a variety of formats as sent "over the wire" - they could be
    encrypted for example.

    An example is FRAPS, a program used to record video gaming action.
    This is intended for 3D content, and not for copying Youtube, but
    it illustrates the basic concept.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraps

    Fraps lit up my antivirus software like a Christmas tree :)
    I never heard so much beeping, as when I tried to install it.
    Presumably similar software for handling movies, isn't quite
    as bad.

    HTH,
    Paul
     
    Paul, Apr 23, 2008
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  5. If you voluntarily give me keys to the car I rented, don't
    turn around and whine if I don't return the keys (or the car).

    Is that the theory? Just want to make sure I've got it right.
     
    Richard Crowley, Apr 24, 2008
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  6. jpuopolo

    Guest Guest

    Your analogy is completely bogus. The corrected version is:
    if you ask my permission to park your car inside my garage,
    and I agree, that doesn't mean I give up ownership of my
    garage.
     
    Guest, Apr 24, 2008
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  7. But apparently you want to keep the car, also.
     
    Richard Crowley, Apr 24, 2008
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  8. jpuopolo

    Guest Guest

    Nope, and that's a ridiculous leap of logic. If you don't want
    your car in my garage, you're entirely free to not put it there.
    But if you do put it there, don't turn around and start dictating
    what I am and am not allowed to do inside my own garage.
     
    Guest, Apr 24, 2008
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  9. "nospam" wrote ...
    So do you reject the civilized notion of property rights altogether?
    Or just the notion of intellectual property rights?

    Have you ever been on the other side of the counter where
    YOU were the IP producer/owner?
     
    Richard Crowley, Apr 24, 2008
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  10. jpuopolo

    Guest Guest

    Neither. I support reasonable (I'd even settle for rational) copyright
    laws. Not the current insanity, where someone can write one book
    or scream into a microphone one time and expect to make millions
    of dollars for 50+ years afterward. As a result of these laws we
    have critical shortages of doctors and teachers but we're up to our
    eyeballs in hip hop criminals and boy bands.

    In Britain, even before invention of the printing press, when distribution
    of written works took decades, copyright protection extended for only
    two years. IMO that's still an entirely reasonable period of protection.
    And in my view there's even less justification for protecting music for
    longer than two years. It's the same eight notes for chrissakes, and
    every song ever recorded is based more or less on something that
    was done before by at least one other person, and usually many
    other people.
    Yes.
     
    Guest, Apr 25, 2008
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