How many pro photogs in the US?

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    Alan Browne Guest

    Alan Browne, Apr 19, 2005
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    Mark Lauter Guest

    I'm curious. How many pro photogs are there in the US?
    Are you asking as in a poll for the group or do you want someone to google
    up an answer?

    I know some people who are pro, but still have to "work" for a living. Does
    that count?

    Bureau of Labor Statistics says
    http://www.bls.gov/emp/optd/optdtabiii_1.pdf

    130 thousand photographers in 2002, 148k in 2012. 52% self employed.
     
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    Mmm_Beefy Guest

    hi alan.
    thats a pretty tough one to pin down an answer for i'm sure..
    the ASMP has 5000 members spanning 40 chapters, and 37 countries (i
    belive the 5000 is referencing the ones based in america but not sure)
    and that would assume too much to think that only 5k reside here i
    would think.

    doing a search on yellowpages.com for "photographer"
    came up with this:
    http://tinyurl.com/8rboq
    which is way more thank 5k

    changing the word photographer to photography came up with this:
    http://tinyurl.com/dnh56
    still far beyond 5k (and the results at first glance look VERY similar
    to the first links results so it may have adjusted for both forms of
    the words.
    when looking at the results, keep in mind, alot of those are business
    types, and may have more than 1 "pro" in house.

    heres copy/paste of the personal section of the listing:

    Personal Services
    Miscellaneous Personal Services
    - Computer Photography Or Portrait (252)
    Photographic Studios & Photographers
    - Passport Photographer (488)
    - Photographer Still & Video (30807)
    - Photographic Studios, Portrait (9665)
    - School Photographer (47)
    - Transient Photographer (1)
    - Wedding & Home Photographer (369)


    and heres the business services list:
    Brokers Services
    - Photography Brokers (32)
    Commercial Photography
    - Aerial Photographers (514)
    - Color Separation, Photographic & Movie Film (113)
    - Commercial Photography (4626)
    - Photographic Studios Commercial (488)
    - Still & Slide File Production (27)
    Miscellaneous Business Services
    - Photographic Library Service (2)
    Photofinishing Laboratories
    - Photographic Services (673)

    i didnt include wholesalers, camera and video epuipment sales, and a
    few others as they arent what your asking about..

    dunno if this is what you expected.. but HTH
    cheers.
     
    Mmm_Beefy, Apr 19, 2005
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  4. Alan Browne

    ian lincoln Guest


    What's the difference between a pro photographer and a large pizza?

    A large pizza can feed a family of four.
     
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  5. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Google has not been a very good source...
    Nope. I'm mainly curious about those who pay their way through life
    with photography.
    Much better datapoint than what I had (yellow pages online) which has
    67,157 "photographer" business listings (which could have more than 1
    photog per business as well while not being inclusive of all
    professional photogs).

    Cheers,
    Alan


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    Tell me about it!
    Using superpages.com I get 67167.
    Thanks,
    Cheers,
    Alan.



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    A statewise comparison of state pop. v photographers (using super pages
    for photog and wiki for population) shows that there is a range of
    between 6811 pop/photog (MS) to 2458 pop/photog (HI), the average is
    around 4000 pop/photog by state. So markets like MS don't have enough
    photogs (or more likely, not enough people/businesses use photographers).

    The above is "yellow page" listings for "photographer" which of course
    is not a very precise definition...

    Cheers,
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    Owamanga Guest

    Not if I'm sitting at the table it can't. And don't try and divert my
    attention with wings, dots, bread sticks, cheesysticks, or bits of
    pizza dipped in cinnamon that they try and pass off as cake.

    I load 3 sliced onto my plate and then proceed to eat slices directly
    from the box. I can usually snag 1/2 to 2/3 that way. It's a trick I
    learned from my Grandmother.
     
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  9. Count all the people living under bridges and divide by 1.1415927.
     
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    Mark Lauter Guest

    Bureau of Labor Statistics says
    The problem with that data, IMO, is that it doesn't specify type of
    photography, full time/part time, etc. :/

    I suspect that there is more information available at the site if you're
    willing to dig.
     
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    Douglas Guest

    -----------------------------------------
    Totally impossible to answer question.

    If you take out those being supported by their spouse/partner
    If you remove those in other jobs and only working a camera at the weekend
    If you remove those who go through the motions only to justify their hobby
    If you remove all those "self employed" photographers getting social
    security
    If you discount all those "Pros" who are living with (supported by) their
    parents...

    You might just get a realistic number. I guess it to be about 12% of
    official statistics.

    Douglas
     
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    Mmm_Beefy Guest

    lol, am i one of the only ones that read his post right?
    i quote:

    "Let's set the meaning to be photographers who earn their living
    through
    photography"

    so that eliminates most of douglas' statements.

    its not impossible to get a ball park figure, which is what the OP was
    really shooting for i imagine. it is highly improbable to get a
    specific answer, unless you called all the places in the phone listing
    i posted, and asked them how many work at each place etc..

    Marks Lauters post was good too as he quoted the Bureau of Labor
    Statistics numbers as well. and if you take his numbers and /2... well,
    it comes up to roughly what the business total came out to (the /2 is
    an assumption loosly based on 2 pro's per shop) which will give you a
    "ballpark" figure only, and nothing to run out and post as fact.

    cheers
     
    Mmm_Beefy, Apr 19, 2005
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  13. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    YP: 67,000
    BL: 130,000

    I would bet no more than 5 to 10% of the yellow pages entries are 'part
    time' businesses.

    Also using the Yellow pages (Super pages) you can see what number are
    "wedding", "portriat", "studio", etc. (but no efficient way to see
    which cover two or more areas which is very common.

    Cheers,
    Alan.


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    Mark Lauter Guest

    I suspect that there is more information available at the site if you're
    What's YP and BL?
    Wouldn't doubt that. FWIW, I just had my first photos "published." The
    lunch counter where I eat needed biz cards and flyers. I got 2 weeks free
    I recently attended a wedding - first one since taking up photography again.
    I have come to the conclusion that there is no way possible to take
    interesting photos at a wedding. :)
     
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  15. Alan Browne

    Mark Lauter Guest

    nothing to run out and post as fact.

    Heh heh.. facts are elusive. :)
     
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    Mark Lauter Guest

    I'm curious. How many pro photogs are there in the US?

    Hey Alan, BTW, what are you doing market research for a new product or
    something? :)
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 19, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    As I said, curiosity. If there are something on the order of 50 - 100K
    photogs in the US who call themselves "pro", then the "r.p.*" groups are
    only blessed by a very small number of them. Which means they don't
    have the time or the inkling to spend any time at all here.

    If I was doing market research for a product or service, I would use
    more complete methods, databases, hire a market researcher, etc.

    Cheers,
    Alan

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    Mmm_Beefy Guest

    heh, you'd be surprised how many people in general dont know about
    usenet..err newsgroups;)
    i guess your right, real pro's... arent posting on the web, their out
    taking pics:)

    as for 5%-10% being part time i suppose it could be that way, but most
    people who advertise in the yellow pages generally do full time type
    work, and part timers advertise in local papers, small signs scattered
    around the areas their in etc...
    or they could have a Glamour Shots type setup, and shoot more on the
    side for mag's, newspapers etc... but thats even less likely, but has
    to be a margin for that in there somewhere i'm sure.
     
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    Colin D Guest

    I'd guess at about 20 - 30% market penetration of personal computers
    across the population, and only a percentage of those who would know or
    bother about NG's, so NG-savvy photogs would be only a fraction of all
    photogs. Maybe that's ok - all the savvy ones are here already!

    Colin
     
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    Bandicoot Guest

    message
    [SNIP]
    Well, for two weeks it does...

    ;-)



    Peter
     
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