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    Alan Browne Guest

    Quite amusing to see someone with a Greek name
    mistaking Democracy as something "from USA".
    Alan Browne, Feb 10, 2005
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  2. Well, given the political climate of Greece since the 5th century BC, I
    can see how it would be easy to forget.
    Brian C. Baird, Feb 10, 2005
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  3. I mean modern democracy, not ancient.Greek in its modern history had nothing
    but democracy;dictators, kings and everything.We really have democracy from
    1973 to nowadays, after the military dictatorship had fallen.USA, in
    contrary, has democracy in the past ~300 years.
    Dimitrios Tzortzakakis, Feb 21, 2005
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    Chris Brown Guest

    You're still wrong - England had a democratically elected parliament before
    the USA even existed, and question over its supremacy over the monarch was
    settled quite convincingly by its ordering the removal of Charles I's head
    in the mid 17th century.

    OK, so only a small proportion of the population could vote, but that was
    also the case in the US for a long time. If you're looking for the first
    example of a democratic system with universal suffrage, then New Zealand is
    probably as close as you're going to get.
    Chris Brown, Feb 21, 2005
  5. And there are still people in the US today that believe only a small
    proportion of the population should vote. My father believed that only
    property owners should vote. I am not sure that he was wrong. There is
    something about only allowing those who have a real stake in a country's
    future to be allowed to control it, that appeals to some of us. Our country
    is today controlled by millions of rif-raf who only came here for a hand
    out, and don't really give a Damn whether we survive or die.......They don't
    bother to learn the language, and will vote for whoever gives them the most
    money in their welfare checks......
    William Graham, Feb 21, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Wyoming recognized the right of women to vote in the 1880s, IIRC. Of
    course, that's only a component of a democratic entity, not an entity to
    Skip M, Feb 21, 2005
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    Bob Hickey Guest

    The only difference between them and the politicians they vote
    for is a suit. I think we should have voter registration by zip code. Palm
    Springs= 10 votes. Brooklyn=1 vote. No house, no vote. Alien? Contribute
    your first born to get his ass blown off in the war of the day. Deport
    them all I say. Then the gov't can stop ripping off their 80% of welfare,
    giving the aliens their ill-begotten 20% and making them pay tax on that.
    And get them off the farms. Farmers get subsidised anyway. Cure America's
    obesity problem. In about a day. America for Americans. Or at
    least those that managed to survive for a generation or two, and become
    Americans. Bob Hickey
    Bob Hickey, Feb 22, 2005
  8. Hey! - I'll buy that.....I think we should do away with voting altogether. I
    think we should be run by a congress picked by random selection from all the
    eligible citizens. replaced every 6 years or so by a new group....Never to
    be allowed to serve again. - Not serving long enough to learn how to
    steal......But the, "eligible citizens" should have lived here for at least
    ten years, and be able to speak the language.......
    William Graham, Feb 22, 2005
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    Lisa Horton Guest

    We basically have. We still go through the motions, of course. But
    when you vote using a machine with no paper trail, you have no guarantee
    that your vote was recorded, or recorded as you entered it. You have to
    trust the assurances of major Republican contributors that their
    machines are honest. And if you believe that, I've got some great deals
    on bridges for you.

    Lisa Horton, Feb 22, 2005
  10. "A man is none the less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new
    master once in a term of years. Neither are a people any the less slaves
    because they are permitted periodically to choose new masters. What makes
    them slaves is the fact that they are now, and are always hereafter to be,
    in the hands of men whose power over them is, and always is to be, absolute
    and irresponsible." --Lysander Spooner, 'No Treason'.
    Voice of freedom, Feb 22, 2005
  11. This nation is almost evenly divided between Republicans and
    Democrats....There is not more than 2 or 3 percent majority of either one
    from election to election. I seriously doubt if a conspiracy of either party
    could possibly be able to throw an election by "fixing" their voting
    machinery. Think of all the engineers, assembly line workers, machinery
    repair men, and others it would take to implement such a massive plot. I
    have worked side by side with these kinds of people all of my life,
    repairing punch-card machinery and, later on, computer operated hardware. My
    fellow workers were of all political attitudes. Some were staunch union
    loving social democrats, and some were wild-eyed capitalists like me. There
    is no way I could have taken part in any kind of plot to fix any machine to
    cheat the system politically. I doubt seriously if anyone could accomplish
    that. But, it is impossible to prove that something didn't happen, so I can
    offer nothing more than my own experience in this matter.....
    William Graham, Feb 22, 2005
  12. This would be true were the, "men whose power over them is, and always is
    to be, absolute and irresponsible." However, our system of checks and
    balances is supposed to make that an impossibility. During my lifetime, (the
    last 50 years or so) I haven't seen the kind of absolute and irresponsible
    power that L. Spooner speaks of. Some corruption, yes. But it seems to
    always be uncovered and punished sooner or later.......It is very hard to
    carry out a conspiracy that involves more than three or four
    people.......Especially when there are a thousand investigative reporters
    from the opposing party breathing down your neck 24-7.
    William Graham, Feb 22, 2005
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