How to buy Genuine Adobe Software for much less?

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by sales, Mar 25, 2006.

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    sales Guest

    Adobe offers select pricing to disributors, retailers, and educational
    users. Along these seperate distribution channels one thing remains the
    same, the product: they are identical in every aspect, functionality,
    updates, registration, legal ownership. Regardless of intention,
    whether it may be for personal, educational, or commercial purposes any
    product from the various channels can be bought and used legally.

    This is part of our fundamental rights know as the "first sales
    doctrine" which: allows the purchaser to transfer a particular, legally
    acquired copy of protected work without permission once it has been
    obtained. That means the distribution rights of a copyright holder end
    on that particular copy once the copy is sold.

    Simplified this means that once you have made a purchase of almost
    anything, you have the right to do what you want with it. A prime
    example would be take a car, once you puchase a vehicule, and if you
    decide to sell your tires, your radio, or change a genuine part for an
    after market part then this is your legal right. This works the same
    for any good obviously with certain limitations.

    This applies to Adobe Software as well. As mentionned earlier you can
    purchase from any distribution channel and use the product legally for
    your intended purposes. Several courts have found that once you
    purchase software, you have the legal ownership and the software
    companies cannot restrict how the software is used and therefore have
    upheld the first sale doctrine.

    For example, you can purchase someone's eductional retail copy of abobe
    indesign, illustrator, acrobat, etc.., and use this "legally" for
    commercial purposes. Adobe will support this product the same way for
    it would for any other product and it is entirely legal. If you have
    doubts, please feel free to contact Adobe and you can also read further
    into this. (see below) Bottomline is that you are saving alot of $$$
    and doing it legally. It is worth the time to inform yourselves.

    This article was written by David Carnet.

    For product information, visit: www.estockware.com
     
    sales, Mar 25, 2006
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    Mike Russell Guest

    <snip>

    Don't fall for it. This is rationalization from a source that has a vested
    interest in selling gray market software.

    There are legal limits on selling of educational versions that are part of
    the contract they sign with Adobe in return for the right to sell
    educational versions. There are also import restrictions on gray market
    products intended for distribution in other countries.

    There are also individuals who make money by circumventing these
    restrictions, and who are good at avoiding legal penalties. This does not
    make it legal, nor does it guarantee that Adobe will honor upgrades from
    products that were sold or otherwise illegally obtained.

    estockware.com is a case in point. The domain was registered four months
    ago, they have no web presence or reviews, and no permanent address. If you
    do business with them, you may get product, or you may find that they simply
    spend a month harvesting credit card numbers, fold their tents, and vanish.
     
    Mike Russell, Mar 25, 2006
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    Rudy Benner Guest

    BIG SNIP.
    PLUNK, into the killfile with that domain.
     
    Rudy Benner, Mar 25, 2006
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    davidc Guest

    Mike, I appreciate your concern for the community and I am glad there
    are members like you concerned for our well being and of course our
    pockets.

    Before this topic becomes heated, please see "first sales doctrine" and
    read into softman vs.adobe case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

    Here you'll get an understanding as to why this case was ruled in favor
    of softman who had been allegedly violating adobe licensing agreements.
    This will provide an understanding as to what exactly these licensing
    agreements are all about.

    Please inform yourselves and you can draw your own conclusions. This
    is why I had the article removed.

    In regards to my site, I understand there are no address or phone
    numbers however I will have them up shortly.
     
    davidc, Mar 25, 2006
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    D-Mac Guest

    ---------------
    It's not illegal to import an atomic bomb into Australia but you'd be in
    a heap of shit if your ever tried to use it.

    The same goes for selling Educational versions of software. It's not
    illegal to sell it to anyone - regardless of them being students or not.
    Just try and use it for commercial purposes and see how you go in a
    court action. All you are doing is shirking responsibility with the
    knowledge that your customer is almost certainly breaking the law if
    they use it.

    You sir, are a parasite on the face of humanity. Profiteering at the
    expense of the people you dupe. You use a loophole in the law to sell
    the stuff knowing your customer is breaking the law if they use it
    outside a narrow use area and turn you back, claiming it's not your
    problem if they get caught. Take you spam somewhere else.
     
    D-Mac, Mar 25, 2006
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    davidc Guest

    "You sir, are a parasite on the face of humanity." ???????????????

    You know what? I proceeded to make my argument in a professional
    manner, apparently some of you are not intellectual enough to make your
    arguments without slander. Challenge me using factual information.

    If you can prove, provide factual information to discredit me then and
    only then you should post anything. Show me an example of someone who
    has been brought to court for this reason, I made a statement and I
    provided information supporting my argument, I did not insult anyone in
    doing so, I will not resort to this either to convey my point across.

    Softman VS Adobe, read and learn..
     
    davidc, Mar 25, 2006
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    Roy G Guest

    He is correct, to a certain extent.

    Under Common law if you buy something it becomes entirely your property and
    you may do whatever you please with it. The previous owner has no rights in
    it, once it is sold.

    (That principle is going to bite the printer Manufacturers one of these
    days, and the EU is already looking).

    Software however may well be different, you are not actually buying a copy,
    you are buying the right to use a copy.

    If the Software Cd gets scratched, you can usually have it replaced either
    Free, or at nominal cost.

    Adobe however, from what I have read, are not too good at replacing previous
    edition Cds.

    They may therefore have removed themselves from the benefit of only selling
    the right to use the product.

    They can't have it both ways.

    Roy G
     
    Roy G, Mar 25, 2006
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