How to make older women look better on video?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Burt Johnson, Aug 22, 2003.

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    MSu1049321 Guest

    << And if you stretch it over the back flange of the lens, you'll get the
    same amount of diffusion without regard to your focal length. Sadly,
    again, not an option on the smaller cameras, with non-removable glass.

    Well, this is why they invented the screw-on
    "pro-mist" lens filters. BTW, almost never was the stocking stretched over the
    lens, only over the flange at the back, for the reasons you mention; the focal
    lengths where the effect worked best were severely limited by putting it over
    the front.
     
    MSu1049321, Aug 24, 2003
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    Burt Johnson Guest

    Actually it was her idea. She is the one that discovered why this client
    didn't like the last video that was done for her.

    As it happened, when I did the tests, my wife started complaining about
    how she looked on tape too -- even though she is quite attractive and
    the tape reproduced her well. Watching her reaction told me exactly how
    this client was reacting. :)

    We got some soft focus filters, but I didn't like the effect. It
    resulted in her eyes appearing cloudy. The VX2000 detail adjustment
    seemed better.

    I then tried the suggested made here of laying down a translucent copy
    of the video overlaid with a gausian blur. That combination did work
    quite nicely.

    The only problem with the blur is there is no way (that I found) to
    preview the effect. Have to add it, then wait and look at it, then
    tweak it, then go back and look again, etc. Sure wish I could preview
    the results like I can in Photoshop.

    This is in Final Cut Pro 4.0.1 btw.
     
    Burt Johnson, Aug 25, 2003
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    Steve King Guest

    This may be one of those times, when its a good idea to hire a pro make-up
    person, even if it comes out of your pocket. An investment for future
    business with this company. Non-actor women often do their own make-up, but
    they really don't have the experience to know what works best for video or
    film. And, if they are very sensitive, as this woman has already proven to
    be, then it seems a good idea to me.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Aug 25, 2003
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    georgie Guest

    <snip?
    I agree with Steve. Make-up and camera lighting are going to be essential.
    Hiring or begging a professional make-up artist would be a good investment.
    I also agree with those who recommend you use softer lighting. Bright
    lights bring out details you want to diminish...

    On a side note, do you remember an older, yet still beautiful, Elizabeth
    Taylor doing a TV commercial for her brand of perfume? It took me several
    takes to notice everyone in the commercial was crystal clear, but Elizabeth
    has a soft fuzziness to her face. I think they did it with a little
    Vaseline on the lens... ;-)

    Also, getting your intended audience to drink a little before viewing will
    also help everyone's looks. ;-)

    g
     
    georgie, Aug 26, 2003
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  5. Tha's a problem then ;-) Anyway, is there no school in your area where
    there are students willing to get some real-life experience? At my
    former filmschool we did this all the time, and the girls/guys which
    were really good, got most of the jobs the whole year (good for their
    showreel). Later if the are proven to be good, you can give 'm in
    return a job on a big gig (TVC or somesuch). Usually you have to pay a
    small fee for make-up expenses, but some do it even for free.

    cheers

    -martin-
    --
    filmmaker/DP/editor,
    Sydney, Australia

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    Martin Heffels, Aug 27, 2003
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    David Winter Guest

    I'd be adopting the rule of "softly, softly" too. Even "soft focus".

    DW

    : : > One of the things that came up in the discussion was a suggestion from
    : > one of her people to use clips from another corporate video done earlier
    : > (by someone else). The CEO said she hated that video and did not want
    : > it used because it made her look so bad.
    : >
    : > Behind the scenes I find that the real problem is that she thinks it
    : > makes her look old -- even though the video is actually quite good.
    :
    : One common way to do this is to use a circular around the lens light, of
    the
    : type regularly used in rock videos. They tend to give you a fairly flat
    : frontal lighting and - if you're not careful - ring-like reflections in
    : people's pupils, but they do tend to work better than filters. You see
    these
    : ring lights in the eyeballs of a lot of lady singers, and pretty-boy ones.
    :
    : Alternatively use either a soft light as frontally as you can, or bounce
    : light off a good diffusing reflector. Polystyrene can be good. You can
    even
    : put the light through silks. More fill light and less key light will tend
    to
    : erase blemishes and wrinkles.
    :
    : Some people would choose to filter it, but unless you're subtle that looks
    : too obvious. I'd prefer to use softening lighting, and then - if I still
    : need to filter - add a softening effect in post, that can, if used well,
    : look almost like a pro-mist. Vegas, in particular, has a good glow effect
    : that does this well when used in moderation. Maybe some here would advise
    a
    : subtle on-camera filter anyway. I'd rather have a clean well lit image,
    and
    : have the choice of adjusting the degree of diffusion later.
    :
    : Gary.
    :
    :
     
    David Winter, Aug 31, 2003
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    Mike Rehmus Guest

    For that person, you might want to rent a pro camera with skin tone
    detect/softening. It really works well. I don't think there are any
    prosumer cameras with this feature though.

    Probably a software filter out there somewhere to do this. You could also
    do something in a compositing program to soften the focus only on her face
    and neck.
     
    Mike Rehmus, Sep 2, 2003
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    Bert Storm Guest

    I have had good results using a black pro-mist filter (tiffen). 1?4 to
    1/2
    The eyelight option mentioned earlier works as does keeping a nice big
    softbox close to the camera.

    To really do her "right" invest in an experienced television make up
    artist for the shoot.

    too bad you can't re-touch video as easily as you can in Photoshop
    (grin)

    Rob Lagerstrom
     
    Bert Storm, Sep 7, 2003
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