How would you rate these MPEG-2 Editors

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Pat, Mar 13, 2005.

  1. Pat

    Pat Guest

    How would you rate the following MPEG-2 Editors in their power,
    sophistication, and abilities to edit Mpeg-2 video and create the best
    quality? I have arranged them in roughly the order of best to worst, but I
    want to know what others think.


    (1) M2-Edit Pro

    (2) Womble MPEG Video Wizard

    (3) Canopus Edius

    (4) Tmpgenc Mpeg Editor

    (5) Canopus MpegCraft
     
    Pat, Mar 13, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    You might want to include the Magix "Movie Edit Pro 10" or
    the older "Movie Edit Pro 2004". The new MEP-10 's rating
    would be most interesting considering how cheap it is.
    www.magix.com

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Mar 13, 2005
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  3. Pat

    Ken Maltby Guest

    P.S. You could have included VideoReDo also, if for no
    other reason than its speed and audio sync processing.
    www.VideoReDo.com

    They have a version 2 beta now also.
     
    Ken Maltby, Mar 13, 2005
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    Alpha Guest

    Canopus Edius does not edit Mpeg2. It edits DV and does hardware coding to
    Mpeg.

    It is a brilliant program, but you need Canopus DV Storm Ultra or the new HD
    version of the hardware.
     
    Alpha, Mar 13, 2005
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    Clive Savage Guest

    Video redo is great for cutting out commercials, it has fine edit
    control and is very easy to use, output is also fast for my AMD 2000
    processor.


    Bye for now.

    Clive.
     
    Clive Savage, Mar 15, 2005
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    Fishface Guest

    VideoRedo seems to have quite a fan club, in fact, something of a
    lobby. I downloaded the trial a few weeks ago. I tried to edit a one-
    hour TV show. Unfortunately, the trial is limited to 30 minutes, is it?
    Strike one. The resulting video was way out of sync with the audio.
    Strike two. For a fifty dollar program, I didn't wait for another pitch--
    I just walked. Of course, it is not really an editor, is it?

    For trimming my MPEG-2 captures, I am now using a free program
    called Mpeg2Schnitt and I couldn't be happier. Want to race?
     
    Fishface, Mar 15, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    So you are aware that it works for "quite a fan club", but it won't
    work correctly when you use it? I wonder why that might be the
    case? I mean it's not like you had it working correctly and then
    found it deficient in some way. No, you couldn't do what so many
    others have no problem doing.

    LoL;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Mar 15, 2005
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  8. I have no idea where you got your info from Alpha but Edius DEFINITELY DOES
    edit Mpeg from version 2 onwards! I can't comment on version 1 or 1.5 but
    have been using it since version 2 (OHCI compatible) with no problems with
    Mpeg.

    An excellent editor however if you want a cheap simple editing nle then i'd
    look elsewhere - it can do loads and in real-time but your talking £200-£300
    minimum to buy!
     
    Paul Harrison, Mar 15, 2005
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    Nick Knight Guest

    Weird how this happens sometimes ... a person has extreme trouble with
    something that seems quite easy and intuitive to others. Sometimes it's
    just a matter of taste, of preference, or simply of what you're used to and
    this expect. At other times there might be a personal involvement; for
    example, an author mentioning his wares, or some friend of his.

    Whatever the case, I used VideoReDo for almost the entire trial period with
    no problems editing and saving hour long recordings with commercials (this
    is the "normal" length for me). In fact, I KNOW I carved 2 hours out of
    much longer recording and it saved just fine.

    At first, my video and audio were minorly out of sync. But instead of
    whining about it and counting "strikes", I asked here, and then in the
    VideoReDo support forum. I was asked for a source video sample, and the
    problem (which ended up being Sonic's Showtime DVD 2's conversion of dvr-ms
    files at the wrong frame rate) was not only explained to me, but the simple
    workaround was provided. I've been in synch ever since! :)

    It would appear to be an editor to me. Dunno what the OP is getting at
    there. Well worth the $50, as I paid it and have another referal sale to my
    credit. I'm extremely happy, yet I have no affiliation with this program
    other than being a happy user. I tried many things, VideoReDo was several
    lengths ahead of the pack.

    He only counted 2 strikes ... then he walked? Seems sort of like odd
    scoring to me. To each his own.

    I've downloaded the 2.0 beta but have yet to try it. I've got to do that.

    Nick
     
    Nick Knight, Mar 15, 2005
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    Pat Guest

    I have used Edius 2.5 ($600) and it does have MPEG-2 editing capability.
    http://www.canopus.us/US/products/EDIUS2.5/pm_EDIUS2.5.asp

    The M2-Edit Pro ($1600) is considered by some to be the Rolls Royce of
    Mpeg-2 Editors.
    http://www.softdepia.com/m2-edit_pro_download_506.html
    http://www.topshareware.com/M2-edit-Pro-download-89.htm

    I am primarily interested in quality, speed, and pin point accuracy of
    editing to the frame without sacrificing quality.
     
    Pat, Mar 16, 2005
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  11. The M2-Edit Pro ($1600) is considered by some to be the Rolls Royce of Not by those who've actually used the s/w. <g> The move from M2 Edit Pro to
    Womble was the second best change I've made in video editing s/w, with the
    move to Premier Pro from Pinnacle the best.
    While Re-Do has a rather fanatical following in this ng, it remains in the
    same league as Womble, no better and probably no worse.
     
    Chuck U. Farley, Mar 16, 2005
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    Fishface Guest

    Oh, hey, look at the number one FAQ:
    http://www.drdsystems.com/VideoReDo/FAQs.htm
    Maybe it just didn't like the files produced by my VideoMate.
    Laughing at me, or just laughing? A quick Google groups search for
    your name and VideoRedo shows over two hundred messages. That
    seems just a bit excessive for a simply satisfied user. Are you are on
    the payroll?
     
    Fishface, Mar 17, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    If you know how Google works, then such a large number
    should come as no surprise. How many of them are actually
    my posts? For instance if you were to do your search again
    both this post and yours preceding it would be counted.

    I have been on no one's payroll for the last 12 years. I retired
    at 46. So I have no financial interest in VideoReDo or TMPGEnc
    or any other products I have found to work well. Most of the
    time I hear that charge it's from the "You can't do frame accurate
    cuts in MPEG" crowd. They are the same people who claim that
    simple cuts are "not Real Editing after all". You know, the "You
    will get terrible results if you try to edit MPEG" people. Those
    who say that you can "Only" get good results if your video spends
    some time as AVI/DV. You Know who Those People are, don't
    You?

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Mar 17, 2005
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    Fishface Guest

    Well, I guess the answer to the question of whether a simple MPEG-2
    editor is suitable for editing would depend upon what all you want to
    do to the video, now, wouldn't it? The purpose of my original post
    was to report my experience with VRD and to inform of a suitable
    free alternative. But it seems that you took it personally, for some
    reason, as did your theorist friend. "Weird how this happens,
    sometimes." Weird how various hardware and software encoders
    can produce files that are not structurally identical? I don't think so.
     
    Fishface, Mar 17, 2005
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    David Chien Guest

    If it hasn't been noted, VirtualDub MPEG version works great for editing
    clips on a basic level.
     
    David Chien, Mar 17, 2005
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    Bariloche Guest

    But it doesn't output mpeg -unless, of ocurse, if you use Ympeg, but
    that means a complete re-coding. What is asked from a true mpeg-2
    Editor is that it outputs mpeg, after recoding only the orphan frames.
     
    Bariloche, Mar 18, 2005
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