HP cosidering buying Kodak

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by Frank Calidonna, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. This morning's NY Times has an article about HP's future with a new CEO.
    One of their considered strategies to maximize their strength in
    printers would be to purchase Kodak. If they do I wonder what that will
    mean for their film business?

    I am an old film dinosaur just dipping my toe into the digital waters.
    But if I lose T-Max I will be heartbroken.

    Frank Rome, NY
    Frank Calidonna, Feb 11, 2005
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    Frank Pittel Guest

    Is HP considering the purchase or is the writer for the times speculating on
    what HP should do??

    : This morning's NY Times has an article about HP's future with a new CEO.
    : One of their considered strategies to maximize their strength in
    : printers would be to purchase Kodak. If they do I wonder what that will
    : mean for their film business?

    : I am an old film dinosaur just dipping my toe into the digital waters.
    : But if I lose T-Max I will be heartbroken.

    : Frank Rome, NY


    Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
    Frank Pittel, Feb 11, 2005
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    John Walton Guest

    They might as well pave over Rochester.

    Fiorina was about to be fired from Lucent when she got the job with HP. She
    was a lone warrior -- great at sales, poor at execution and a disaster at
    strategic planning. Board member William Hewlett did everything to stop the
    Compaq acquistion, and as planned, it was a disaster.

    Kodak has surprised me --- recovering as they have. I did hate to lose
    Technical Pan.

    John Walton, Feb 11, 2005
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    Joe Makowiec Guest

    I looked at her resume - background was entirely business/marketing.
    Maybe part of the problem at HP was culture clash with all the engineers?
    I'm certainly unimpressed with their products the past few years.
    Joe Makowiec, Feb 11, 2005
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    bob Guest

    The Color Laserjet 4650 is pretty decent, especially considering the
    price. Of course you probably wouldn't want one in your darkroom. ;-)

    bob, Feb 11, 2005
  6. Well, when talking about Kodak's impending demise, it's good to keep in mind
    that the company is not only about film/digital and photography. Far from it;
    Kodak is now one of the leading graphic arts imaging companies, meaning
    production printing from digital printing (not darkroom printing, but making
    many to thousands of copies) to CTP (computer-to-plate) technology used in
    conventional offset printing. So in the long run, they may not even need Tech
    Pan, perhaps not even Plus-X Professional, to survive.

    Today's bullshit job description:

    • Collaborate to produce operational procedures for the systems management
    of the production Information Technology infrastructure.

    - from an actual job listing on Craigslist (http://www.craigslist.org)
    David Nebenzahl, Feb 11, 2005
  7. Frank Calidonna

    John Guest

    Perhaps you meant "as predicted" ? And one mans disaster is
    anothers opportunity. Just ask Michael Dell !


    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org
    Please remove the "_" when replying via email
    John, Feb 11, 2005
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    jo.sto Guest

    And Agfa was similar, and found that it could do quite well without the
    film division.

    In the case of HP, as an extremely loyal customer of HP over 30 years,
    all I can say is that they've lost me. Their old slogan that was
    something like "innovative products of lasting value" is apparently so
    20th century that they have gone from a maker of the absolute best
    products in some fields to just another marketing company. The last HP
    product I bought went into the bin real fast.
    jo.sto, Feb 11, 2005
  9. The inside cover of the manual for the h/p 25 calculator, c. 1975:

    "The success and prosperity of our company will be assured only
    if we offer our customers superior products that fill real needs
    and provide lasting value, and that are supported by a wide
    variety of useful services, both before and after sale."

    Statement of Corporate Objectives.

    * * *

    The inside cover of the manual for the h/p 49, c. 1999:

    "This manual and any examples contained herein are provided
    as-is and are subject to change without notice. Except to
    the extent prohibited by law, Hewtett-Packard Company makes
    no express or implied warranty of any kind with regard to
    this manual and specifically disclaims the implied warranties
    and conditions of merchantability and fitness for a particular
    purpose and Hewlett-Packard Company shall not be liable for
    any errors or for incidental or consequential damage in
    connection with the furnishing, performance or use of this
    manual and the examples herein."

    * * *

    The '25 is still going strong, though I had to open it up an put
    a bit of WD-40 on the on-off switch, it was getting a bit rough after
    30 years of use but it works like new now.

    The '49 died 1.5 years after purchase. It can not be fixed as the
    calculator is spot-welded shut and is replaced, not repaired.
    After the 1 year warranty you are SOoL.

    * * *

    The reader can draw his own conclusions regarding h/p's
    "success and prosperity". I wonder if Carly ever saw the
    original "statement of corporate objectives"?
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Feb 12, 2005
  10. Absolute bulls-eye...

    Thanks for this,

    Ken Nadvornick, Feb 12, 2005
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    John Walton Guest

    From a friend who used to work there:

    This is the story of a different kind. No melting CPUs, no screaming
    disc drives, just the kind of psychological torture that scars a man
    for life.

    I had a 9:00 meeting with my Sales Rep. I needed to buy an entire new
    Series 70, the works. He said it'd take about an hour. Three hours
    later, we'd barely got the datacomm hardware down on paper, so he
    invited me downstairs to lunch.

    This was my first experience in an HP cafeteria. Above the service
    counter was a menu which began...

    MMU's (Main Meal Units)

    00010A Burger. Includes sesame-seed bun.
    Must order condiments 00110A separately.

    001 Deletes seeds.
    002 Expands burger to two patties.

    00020A Double Cheesburger, Preconfigured. Includes cheese, bun
    and condiments.

    001 Add-on bacon.
    002 Delete second patty.
    003 Replaces second patty with extra cheese.

    00021A Burger Upgrade to Double Cheesburger.

    001 From Single Burger.
    002 From Double Burger.
    003 Return credit for bun.

    00220A Burger Bundle. Includes 00010A, 00210A and 00310A

    001 Substitute root beer 00311A for cola 00310A.

    My eyes glazed over. I asked for a burger and a root beer.
    The waitress looked at me like I was an alien.

    "How would you like to order that, sir?"
    "Quickly, if possible. Can't I just order a sandwich and a drink?"
    "No sir. All our service here is menu driven. Now what would you like?"
    I scanned the menu. "How big is the 00010 burger?"
    "The patty is rated at eight bites."
    "Well, how about the rest of it?"
    "I don't have the specs on that, sir, but I think it's a bit more."
    "Eight bites is too small. Give me the Double Burger Upgrade."

    My sales rep interrupted. "No, you want the Single Burger option 002
    'expands burger to two patties'. The Double Burger Upgrade would give
    you two burgers.

    "But you could get return credit on the extra bun," the waitress
    chimed in, trying to be helpful, "although it isn't documented."

    I looked around to see if anybody was staring at me. There was a couple
    in line behind us. I recognized one of them, a guy who nearly mowed me
    down in the parking lot with his cherry-red '62 Vette. He was talking
    to some woman who was waving her arms around and looking very excited.

    "What if... we marketed the bacon cheesebuger with the vegetable option
    and without the burger and cheese? It'd be a BLT!"

    The woman charged off in the direction of the telephone, running
    steeplechase over tables and chairs. My waitress tried to get my
    attention again. "Have you decided, sir?"

    "Yeah, give me the double burger- excuse me, I mean the 00020A with
    option 001. I want everything on it." She put me down for the
    Condiment Expansion Kit, which included mayonnaise, mustard and pickles
    with a option to substitute relish.

    "Ketchup." I hated to ask. "I want ketchup on that, too."
    "That's not a condiment, sir, it's a Tomato Product." My Sales Rep
    butted in again. "That's not a supported configuration."
    "What now?" I kept my voice steady.
    "Too juicy. The bun can't handle it."
    "Look, forget the ketchup, just put some lettuce and tomatoes on it."

    The waitress backed away from the counter. "I'm sorry, sir, but that's
    not supported either. The bun can take it, but the burger won't fit
    in the box. "Ah, but it will." The Sales Rep defended himself. "Just
    not at first release." "It is being beta-tested, sir."

    I checked the overhead screen. Fries, number 00210A, option 110,
    French, followed by option 120, English. "What the hell are English
    Fries?" I turned to the Sales Rep. "Chips they call them. We sell a
    lot of them."

    I gave up. "OK, OK, just give me a plain, vanilla Burger Bundle."
    This confused the waitress profoundly. "Sir, Vanilla as an option is
    configured only for Series 00450 Milkshakes." My sales rep chuckled.
    "No, ma'am, he just wants a standard 00220A off the shelf. I wondered
    how long it had been on the shelf. I didn't ask.

    "Very good, sir." The waitress breathed a sigh of relief. "Your meal
    is now on order. Now, how would you like it supported?" "Support?"
    She directed me to the green shaded area at the bottom of the menu,
    and I began a litany with my Sales Rep that I'll never forget.

    "Implementation assistance?"

    "You get a waiter."

    "Implementation analysis?"

    "You tell him how hungry you are, and he tells you what to eat."

    "Response Center Support?"

    "He brings it to your table."

    "Extended materials?"

    "You get refills."

    I stuffed some money at the waitress and told her to take it. She
    gave me my check on three sheets of green-bar paper. I studied it
    on the way to my table, and decided it'd pass as an emergency napkin.

    Table? My Sales Rep had been bright enough to order us a table. He
    hadn't been bright enough to check on a delivery date. The table
    waiter slouching in the corner surveyed the crowded room, looked at me
    and said "Two weeks. But I can get you a standalone chair by the
    window right away."

    I handed him the tray. A woman rushed up to me with two cups of chili
    and sauerkraut for the hot dog someone else had ordered. The room
    began to grow dim, my eyesight faded...

    I woke up clutching the water-glass at my bedside table. It was five
    AM, four hours till my meeting with HP. I had had a vision, I did
    what it told me to do. I dialed my office, and I called in sick.
    John Walton, Feb 12, 2005
  12. feb1205 from Lloyd Erlick,

    I took the liberty of emailing HP. I copied Nicholas'
    snips from their literature (but omitted personal

    I doubt there will be a response (see below for the
    material I placed into their communications form
    online, and below that for the 'confirmation' response
    I received -- "Although I cannot personally respond to
    your message due to the volume of messages I receive, I
    often pass along suggestions and observations to my
    colleagues ..." etc.)

    My prediction is that my own spam and junk mail
    receipts will increase, because I gave them my real
    name and email address.

    feb1205 from Lloyd Erlick,

    Hello HP,

    Today I found the following in a darkroom forum I
    follow, and wondered if you had any thoughts regarding
    the sentiments expressed:

    Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
    voice: 416-686-0326
    net: www.heylloyd.com

    Dear Valued Customer,

    Your message is important to me. Although I cannot
    personally respond to your message due to the volume of
    messages I receive, I often pass along suggestions and
    observations to my colleagues throughout
    Hewlett-Packard. If action is required, I'll have
    someone follow up.

    If you need help, other information, or wish to send an
    e-mail about particular HP products and services,
    please visit please visit our Contact HP page.


    Bob Wayman
    Interim Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial
    Hewlett-Packard Company
    Lloyd usenet-Erlick, Feb 12, 2005
  13. Frank Calidonna

    R.W. Behan Guest

    Frank: I'm an OLDER film dinosaur. If I lose Tri-X Pan, I'll fling myself
    into a vat of D-76 and drown.

    Lopez Island
    R.W. Behan, Feb 13, 2005
  14. I worked for HP when it was run by Bill and Dave (who I
    never saw in person). At that time the philosophy was to
    make products only if they were innovative or were better
    than competing products. There were few "me too" products.
    One thing I observed is that as competition became greater
    the margin of performance got smaller. We considered the
    older products to be broken if they did not meet half specs.
    The later, more advanced stuff, often just barely made
    specs. Of course it was virtually a completely different
    company. At that time its products could be described as
    industrial and most customers were large businesses and
    government. Probably the first products aimed at a consumer
    market was the Model 31 hand held calculator. I am no longer
    familiar with the entire HP catalogue but would guess than
    most of the company's business is now done with consumers.
    I will have to try to find this story, it doesn't quite
    make sense to me but then business manipulations often
    Richard Knoppow, Feb 14, 2005
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    jjs Guest

    I'll bet I'm older, but I'm still developing. If Tri-X disappears I'll stop,
    fix and wash myself. Whew. 'bout time, too.
    jjs, Feb 14, 2005
  16. Frank Calidonna

    R.W. Behan Guest

    Hey, JJ:

    Do you remember D-76 when it came packaged in a two-part glass jar? A
    smaller one on top of a larger one? You had to dissolve one powder before
    the other. Remember? The jars were dark brown glass. Hm?


    Dick Behan
    R.W. Behan, Feb 14, 2005
  17. Not me. I do remember it in sealed metal cans, though. But one part.
    Jean-David Beyer, Feb 14, 2005
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    John Walton Guest

    Hp is now HP and Agilent, with Agilent being the instrumentation side (and
    semiconductor products).

    Agilent -- they are as difficult to deal with as ever. Tektronix on the
    other hand makes it a breeze. On one of my Tek orders a supervisor did a
    follow up call to make sure everything arrived OK.
    John Walton, Feb 15, 2005
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    RSD99 Guest

    Richard ... one thing that you are not mentioning is that the "old HP" that
    you worked for is now a totally different company.

    Ms.CF "decided" to concentrate on the printer and computer business, and
    spun off the instrumentation business several years ago, I believe it is
    now called something like "Adgelent Technology" ... or some similar name. I
    also believe that the well regarded "Corporate Principles" that Hewlett and
    Packard established have also gone by the wayside ... at least for the
    remaining company that is now known as "H-P."

    Oh ... by the way ... "voices from the past" ... remember the HP Service
    Center at Cahuenga Boulevard and Fredonia Drive ... ?
    RSD99, Feb 15, 2005
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    John Guest

    What year was this ? I can tell you as someone who competes
    with HP (well, they aren't really competition anymore are they ?),
    this is NOT how business is done today !


    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org
    John, Feb 15, 2005
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