I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio!

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by youknowwhothefuckiam, Sep 14, 2005.

  1. Group(s),

    Just spent $1100 for a new Panasonic GS400 and I have to say the image
    this camera delivers is very, very good. Comparable to a GL2 and very
    close to Sony VX/PD cams. For the money, most bang for the buck, it is
    the best deal out there in the Mini-DV 3CCD realm.

    Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the
    audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this
    camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something
    you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO
    critical for getting decent audio.

    SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply
    phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera.

    Is there a microphone (perferably shotgun) out there that is as great a
    value as this camera?

    I know particular cameras respond diffferently to different external
    mics, I'm hoping someone out there also has a GS400 and is willing to
    share mic info.

    Thanks.
    YKWTFIA
     
    youknowwhothefuckiam, Sep 14, 2005
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  2. I can do it with my TRV 900
    I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo
    plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack.

    -Bill
     
    Captain Slick, Sep 14, 2005
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  3. youknowwhothefuckiam

    PTravel Guest

    Of course you can do this with a VX2000. I'm glad you're happy with your
    camera and, of course, if it fits your purposes it's the "right" camera. It
    is not, however, comparable to a VX2000/2100.

    If you're serious about audio, you'll want to get an accessory box that will
    let you use balanced-line (XLR) mikes. They're made for prosumer 'corders,
    and there are probably some out there for your machine.
     
    PTravel, Sep 15, 2005
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    Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
    major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician
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    It's very easy to block with a capacitor, but I don't think it's worth the
    effort.At that price range, the camera must have an excellent
    microphone.(anyway, Xc=1/(omega*C), where Xc=0 for that frequency range,
    also audio frequencies, to allow them pass while blocking the DC, and omega
    is 2*(pi)*f, frequency in Hz.Just for comparison, the capacitor for FM and
    UHF is 1 nF, and for old-fashioned AM is 100 nF, at audio frequencies should
    be at uF range).
     
    Dimitrios Tzortzakakis, Sep 15, 2005
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  5. Hi Dimitrios,

    I should have said, "buy an adapter that adapts XLR balanced to
    unbalanced and blocks the DC like the XLR Pro"

    I have a TRV900 but still use the Azden for far superior audio.

    -Bill
     
    Captain Slick, Sep 15, 2005
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  6. So much for my knowledge, I actually had a VX2000 for half a day for a
    second unit shoot (visual only) and didn't get to messing with it
    enough to see that it had manual audio. Same deal for the TRV900.

    Oh well, I couldn't afford a VX2000/2100 and wouldn't want to risk
    money on a used TRV900, although I am sure there are some solid units
    out there.

    It's sad that Sony decided to make things worse with each geneartion of
    consumer cams. The TRV900 to 950 was no upgrade. Ditto for the Digital
    8 offerings.

    My TRV730 Dig8 gives a really solid image. Sucky audio though...

    Seriously, the GS400 is very close to a VX2000 in image quality.

    Not quite there, losses to it in low light by a bit, but the GS400
    gives a marginally better image than a Canon GL2.

    YKWTFIA
     
    youknowwhothefuckiam, Sep 15, 2005
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    bd Guest

    Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't
    have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio?

    Thanks,
    Bryce
     
    bd, Sep 16, 2005
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  8. "bd" wrote ...
    For nearly 80 years they've been using "double-system" sound.
     
    Richard Crowley, Sep 16, 2005
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  9. Yeah, but for a run and gun shooter, this is impossible.

    But, one hand on the camera, shooting, one hand on a short shotgun mic,
    no shock mount, headphones on, does better than you would think...

    If you are 10-20 feet away, you can do it all, it isn't as tough as
    you'd think.

    You actually fall into a groove of matching image and sound. If you
    mispoint or mishandle the mic, you hear it, shout "go again" and keep
    rolling.

    BUT, getting that decent shotgun and a camera with no AGC at a
    reasonable price is tough!

    Panasonic GS400 plus ?Mic? = THE SOLUTION

    Still waiting to hear if anybody has a GS400 and Mic and their comments
    on the match up...

    Don't let me be the test animal...

    YKWTFIA
     
    youknowwhothefuckiam, Sep 16, 2005
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    Frank Guest

    On 15 Sep 2005 19:37:00 -0700, in 'rec.video.desktop',
    audio!>,
    Bryce, you might want to take a look at the BeachTek model DXA-8
    adapter. It attaches to the bottom of the camcorder, runs on a single
    9 volt alkaline battery, and weights 2 pounds.

    http://www.beachtek.com/dxa8.html

    The alternative is to upgrade to an HVR-Z1 series camcorder. :)

    Good luck!
     
    Frank, Sep 16, 2005
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  11. But it can't do anything to counteract the effect of ALC
    in the camcorder.
     
    Richard Crowley, Sep 16, 2005
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    Frank Guest

    I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for
    audio!>,
    Which may be why, Mr. Crowley, I mentioned the HVR-Z1 as an
    alternative. :)

    It seems that a number of people purchased the HDR-FX1/HDR-FX1E as
    soon as it hit the market, only to later trade it in for an HVR-Z1
    model in order to get the balanced XLR audio input capability.
     
    Frank, Sep 16, 2005
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    Ty Ford Guest

    Really. A mini jack with 48V DC? Sure it's not just bias voltage?

    Ty Ford



    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
     
    Ty Ford, Sep 16, 2005
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    Ty Ford Guest

    Trew Audio's Remote Audio subsidiary sells this cable. They have one for One
    mic and one for two. Contact Trew on the web or in Nashville or Toronto.

    Ty Ford



    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
     
    Ty Ford, Sep 16, 2005
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    Ty Ford Guest

    Well first, the audio on both all HDV cams is not linear pcm, it's 384 kbps
    stereo MPEG 2. That's about 25% of the data of a linear stream.

    For truly great audio, you'd want to double record.

    Ty Ford




    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
     
    Ty Ford, Sep 16, 2005
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  16. It's not 48V phantom power but typically 3-6 volts to power the consumer
    electret condenser mics.

    -Bill
     
    Captain Slick, Sep 16, 2005
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    Steve Guidry Guest

    I've had decent results with my AT shotgun.

    Of course, it's no schoeps . . .

    Steve
     
    Steve Guidry, Feb 27, 2006
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