I hope we get HDV soon :(

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by SjT, Sep 8, 2004.

  1. SjT

    mrlipring Guest

    aah, tony's favourite new word is "arsehole". Got bored of "sad", eh?



    oh, i don't know all that much about hdtv and hi-def, so i'm not offering
    any opinions (take note Tony... If you don't know what you're talking about,
    keep it shut) so here's some links.



    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/13/european_hdtv/

    there are other links at the bottom of the reg page too.



    List of stations in the US broadcasting hdtv content.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=422073



    guess these guys are making a fuss about nothing?

    http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?http://www.avforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=104



    The bbc seem to think hdtv is a good thing...

    http://e-pressroom.com/cgi-bin/ibc_ep_release04.cgi?db_id=4258&doctype=txt



    even many console games these days support the higher resolutions...

    http://www.hdtvpub.com/productdb/games/index.cfm

    http://www.hdtvarcade.com/





    As for what to play it on, well there are RPTVs, Plasma screens and
    projectors that will happily display the content.



    It's specialist equipment, but so was everything at one time. Yes, the
    equipment is expensive, but as it becomes cheaper, it will become more
    popular, and as it becomes more popular it will become cheaper. :)
     
    mrlipring, Sep 11, 2004
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  2. You mean "behaving like an arsehole " is less infantile than anything I have
    said?
    There are numerious technologies in which increasing the input quality above
    the maximum possible output will carry through into the output nevertheless.
    I shoot at the highest quality I can afford even though most of my output
    finishes up as tiny web files. I do that because if I start with lesser
    quality the difference at the end of the chain is easily noticeable in terms
    of image quality and/or file size. Maybe as someone who has yet to grasp how
    DV compression works you find that beyond your understanding.
    To what does your "this" refer?

    If the argument is with my suggestion that HD will not come you are burying
    your head in the sand again. It's already come. Not only in the US but in
    Europe where the last official figures show 50,000 receivers in domestic
    situations. As I said, if I had had a few hundred quid going spare I could
    have attended BBC seminars on their plans for HD. Sony have actually allowed
    me to briefly play with their HD camera complete with massive Panaflex lens.
    I suppose you think I'm hallucinating again.

    Unlike you I post to threads only when I can add something to them and have
    first hand knowledge of the subject. I do not claim to know the theory but
    if I post here you can be sure it's about something I have done or seen
    done. You will find my name on perhaps 5% of threads at most. You OTOH make
    your sometimes inaccurate views known on most threads. The proverbial Jack
    of all Trades. You also constantly refer readers to your website which is
    tantamount to claiming boundless knowledge of all matters video.
    What a purile remark and where's the professional? I am an amateur like you
    but one who has invested in professional equipment from professional
    dealers. As such my name finds itself on to databases of professionals and I
    am circulated with professional literature and once in a while I pluck up
    the courage to bluff my way into professional gatherings based on the
    invitations that I don't really deserve. It allows me to see a world that
    you apparently haven't even dreamed of and it allows me to see through your
    bluster. I am sure that others here could demolish your limited technical
    knowledge with ease in a way that I could not. You should remember that the
    net is a big place and there is always someone lurking cleverer than
    yourself and therefore it pays to restrain yourself to subjects of which you
    know something. In the land of the blind the one-eyed Tony may be King but
    in the world of 20/20 vision you are a nobody.

    As for your question, it was you who claimed there was no need to strive for
    better things, so it is you has the explaining to do as to why you
    progressed from video8 to DV.
    The arse around here is you as has been shown many times by every single one
    of us here with any knowledge at all beyond the latest bargain in Dixon's
    window.
    You seem to think that there is nothing better by way of display devices
    than your crappy TV. Your crappy TV resolution is not the pinnacle of
    engineering achievement. It is not as good as mine and mine is not as good
    as some I cannot afford.
    To introduce the technolgy enjoyed in Afghanistan into the argument is a
    sure sign of you clutching at straws. HD is here in Europe already for those
    who want it. Expensive of course but if you read any of the current trade
    magazines you will see that every manufacturer and broadcaster is gearing up
    for HD in Europe. When we see the IBC reports in a week or two we shall see
    the same. What makes you think a twerp like you is right and all their
    millions spent on research is wrong? Oh, I think I just answered that one.
    So you keep saying, but you were so scared of answering my four numbered
    statements that you had to snip every last one of them. Why? Because they
    were factual and you are merely pissing against the prevailing wind.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Sep 11, 2004
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  3. He's been told that countless times but he never learns.
    Here's another one. :)

    http://www.datamonitor.com/~76dde35...industries/research/?pid=DMTC1062&type=Report

    Note; 50,000 HD receivers in Europe by 2003. 4,8million predicted by 2008.
    (None in Rhyll!).
     
    Malcolm Knight, Sep 11, 2004
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  4. SjT

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    :::Jerry::::, Sep 11, 2004
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  5. I think most people interpret Tony's <plonk> as his admission that he can't
    compete with someone's argument. It's an accolade you should treasure.

    I also think there is something very strange about the personality of
    someone who believes anyone would be interested in who is in his killfile.
    Phrases like total arrogance, self importance and inflated ego all come to
    mind.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Sep 11, 2004
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  6. SjT

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Yes, as I've said before Tony seems to have an inverted ego, rather than
    welcome, read and learn from those who have a greater knowledge he seems to
    go out of his way (sometimes) to stay ignorant of the facts whilst implying
    that anyone who wants to, or knows more than him is on some kind of ego
    trip. Most strange, very sad and I'm almost sorry for the bloke... :~(
     
    :::Jerry::::, Sep 11, 2004
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  7. Does this mean your not still Media centre manager at Lancaster
    University or even was it chief or senior technician as their web site
    stated? (forgive me if the job titles are not exact but I don't have
    access to my files here)
    Blue Skies
    Pat Carpenter
     
    Pat Carpenter, Sep 11, 2004
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  8. Ok we'll forgive you. In the absence of your files I think you are confusing
    me with someone else. Laurence Payne perhaps.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Sep 11, 2004
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  9. SjT

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    You are thinking of another poster, but I can't think of his name ATM, who
    is the head of a Media Studies dept.
     
    :::Jerry::::, Sep 11, 2004
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  10. SjT

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    No, I've just remembered his first name, Darcy ???
     
    :::Jerry::::, Sep 11, 2004
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  11. SjT

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Just to mention that there is a thread in the uk.tech.broadcast group about
    HDTV in Europe and a paper published by the EBU

    Subject line: EBU Technical Review: progressive delivery for HDTV?

    Mr Morgan need to broaden his reading matter I think !...
     
    :::Jerry::::, Sep 11, 2004
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  12. I think it's worth pointing out that Sony have just announced a prosumer 3 chip
    HD, HDR-FX1, camera probably around the 3.5K price - 1$ = 1GBP :)

    OK, still out of reach to many but it shows Sony thinks HD has a future not just
    in the high end professional market.

    http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5118 and many more

    Stuart

    www.mckears.com
     
    Stuart McKears, Sep 11, 2004
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  13. You had no valid issues with me. You took unnecessary issue after my second
    post by which time I had made just four statements which are indisputable
    and one of which agreed with your view. Because you could not defend your
    decision to start another argument and fling your usual childish insults you
    snipped all reference to the four statements and moved the goalposts.

    If you had done your Googling before posting you might be taken more
    seriously, as it is you are once again roundly condemned by everyone who has
    shown themselves to have an understanding of video beyond 'baby on the
    lawn'. I am still of a like opinion to yourself, that introduction of HDTV
    to the domestic marketplace may be a long uphill struggle but to pretend it
    simply cannot be done is a nonsense.
    I suppose that is as gracious a climbdown as we are ever likely to see above
    your signature.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Sep 11, 2004
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    mrlipring Guest

    mrlipring, Sep 14, 2004
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  15. SjT

    SjT Guest

    There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from "Malcolm
    Just to get slightly back on the original point i was making :)

    Has anyone actually experienced HDTV first hand? and is it pretty
    amazing? Or just all hype?

    Only recently (Since editing video on a computer screen) have i
    noticed how limited resolution our broadcast TV carries, sure it's
    good enough, but as we're all getting to the point where 32"
    widescreen is pretty much standard the medium has got to improve.

    At the very least i hope they up the bitrate on satellite digital tv.
     
    SjT, Sep 14, 2004
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    SjT Guest

    There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from Tony
    It's currently being used everyday in the states, why do you have
    doubts about it when it's already up and running in other countries?!
     
    SjT, Sep 14, 2004
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  17. I've seen 1920 x 1000ish. I foget now what the latter was. No doubt on
    Google. Yes it was absolutely amazing.
    Sky have announced a service for 2006. BBC will broadcast their first HD
    production (via satellite) within the next few days. I arranged all that
    just to annoy you know who who said it couldn't be done due to bandwidth
    limitations. :)
     
    Malcolm Knight, Sep 14, 2004
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  18. You can't. It's chuck it out and start again time. I already said it would
    be an uphill struggle to get the great British public to accept it, however
    what I didn't say is that it would be impossible.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Sep 14, 2004
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    SjT Guest

    There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from Tony
    No-one has said that you can display HD on a TV, i imagine what will
    happen will be that the set top boxes will have a translator on board
    to convert the HD image to standard TV resolution.

    In fact there's several different ways they could pull it off, another
    being new channels, i.e. BBC1 & BBC1(HD).

    Or another method would be to set up your set top box to take the HD
    streams when available, rather much like setting them up for
    widescreen TV's etc.

    It's not going to be hugely brain busting for the broadcasting bods.
     
    SjT, Sep 15, 2004
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    SjT Guest

    There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from Tony
    Sky customers already shell out for premium channels (Sky movies etc)
    to be transmitted in 5.1 yet can't actually receive it, so yeah, i
    could quite imagine that to happen.

    I imagine it will be phased in and everyone will be told they need
    these new boxes because the broadcasting methods are changing, rather
    like they done to Analogue Satellite, Digital was supposedly fail safe
    to storms and weather conditions - Was it f**k! :D
    And that limit will not be changed as the image will be just as before
    but (I would imagine) either digitally translated from the HDTV stream
    for standard TV sets, or a seperate stream which is detected in the
    set top box.
    Cost is all relative to how many units sold, if 19" LCD monitors were
    bought for every home up and down the country then they would be as
    cheap, just as DVD Writers dropped like crazy once people started to
    invest into them. They had a 500% price reduction in about 12 months
    from memory.
    I don't care how they get it to us, just as long as they do soon!

    We need to throw this old technology out, TV set makers are making a
    mint from adding these clean comb filters and other useless gubbins to
    their tv sets, and at the end of the day, if someones entire face
    occupies 20 pixels on the screen, you aint ever gonna clean it up, no
    matter how much sharpness or filters you put on it, and the noisy
    colours are always going to dance like crazy to make things worse.

    I bought a new TV recently and it wasn't until i was comparing
    different TV's side by side in different stores that i really noticed
    how poor TV is generally is, thank god i haven't got a 40"+ TV Screen
    cause i would be REALLY dissapointed watching blocks of solid colour
    swim around my screen.

    Then again, i sympathise with the broadcasters, because how the hell
    do you phase this in without pissing everyone off?!

    If they had the foresight when digital tv was being developed they
    should have sorted it all out then, it's not as though HDTV is some
    amazingly new technology is it!?
     
    SjT, Sep 15, 2004
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