I open Jpg. files in Raw

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Frank Arthur, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. Frank Arthur

    Frank Arthur Guest

    I often open my Jpg. files in Raw so I can work on them in Photoshop
    CS3.
     
    Frank Arthur, Jun 27, 2007
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  2. Frank Arthur

    Fat Sam Guest

    I'm sorry. I completely failed to understand what you're saying.
    Do you mean you convert your RAW's to Jpeg so you can open them in
    Photoshop?
    Or are you asking how you can convert RAW to Jpeg?
     
    Fat Sam, Jun 27, 2007
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  3. Frank Arthur

    Frank Arthur Guest

    It wasn't a question. It was a statement.
    I was very pleased to know that I can open my Jpg. file in Photoshop
    CS3 in Raw. Now I can manipulate that image using the many Raw
    adjustments.
     
    Frank Arthur, Jun 28, 2007
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  4. Frank Arthur

    Fat Sam Guest

    Ah. I was confused.
    In fact I still am confused.
    What's the benefit of converting a Jpeg back to Raw mode?
    Surely a Jpeg contains a lot less image data than a Raw file, and that data
    can't simply be recovered by converting the format?
    I suspect I'm missing the point somewhat.
     
    Fat Sam, Jun 28, 2007
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  5. Frank Arthur

    Frank Arthur Guest

    There are 8 tabs in Raw that allow other changes to the image
    including Lens Correction that are simply not available except through
    Raw. If you open a Raw image in Raw and get to know your way around
    the nuances it makes life a lot easier to open a Jpg. in Raw and uses
    those same manipulations.
    Your choice.
    There's nothing to stop you from opening your Jpg. normally and use
    the normal Photoshop menus.



     
    Frank Arthur, Jun 28, 2007
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  6. Frank Arthur

    Joel Guest

    LightRoom and Adobe ARC v4.x can open *all* RAWs, JPEG, and TIFF. Yes,
    you can adjust JPG and TIFF just like you do with RAW format. Me, I don't
    use TIFF so never tried myself, but I believe (99% sure but not 100%) I have
    tried few JPG
     
    Joel, Jun 28, 2007
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  7. Frank Arthur

    Joel Guest

    It may not have much or any benefit from using RAW converter on JPEG, but
    it seems like you give more credit to RAW than it really is.

    So YES, RAW does have few sharp edge but RAW isn't anything, and I prefer
    to use RAW converter on RAW file. But my final file has always been JPG
     
    Joel, Jun 28, 2007
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  8. Frank Arthur

    Conrad Guest

    CS3.<<

    I do the same thing. It's nice to have the 'RAW' tools in working with
    JPEG images.

    Best,

    Conrad.
     
    Conrad, Jun 28, 2007
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  9. Frank Arthur

    Fat Sam Guest

    I'm only using CS2 at the moment and can't afford to upgrade to CS3 for a
    while, so unfortunately I can't try it for myself, but I do think it sounds
    good.
    At first I was confused, but when you explained that it opens up a whole new
    set of tools that weren't otherwise available, then it all makes sense.
     
    Fat Sam, Jun 28, 2007
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  10. Frank Arthur

    HOTMAIL Guest

    :I often open my Jpg. files in Raw so I can work on them in Photoshop
    : CS3.
    :
    :

    CS 3 does have that capacity.

    However, the main advantages of file adjustment/manipulation in a RAW file
    is that the data(image) is non destructive, that you can adjust exposure
    lattitude, and can make adjustments at 16 bite and not 8 for potential
    greater color fidelity and transition. Once you convert to jpg there is data
    loss.
     
    HOTMAIL, Jun 28, 2007
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  11. Frank Arthur

    Papa Joe Guest

    If you just don't know how to use levels , curves in photoshop,
    yes, go ahead and open a JPG as a RAW. Unfortunately, you'll be
    torturing even further an already imafe file that has been stripped of
    data. The raw levels assume you've got much more data and just sliding
    those things left and right can reall affect the quality print OUTPUT
    of your image.

    I guess it depends what your output intent is, but best to keep JPG as
    a crap file try and fix it in photoshop itself. You're starting the
    process off with software that assume just that...the file is at a
    start-off point, but when a JPG is in itself, already been through a
    process of compression or maybe even saved a JPG through photoshop. Be
    careful here.
     
    Papa Joe, Jun 28, 2007
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  12. Frank Arthur

    Conrad Guest

    Hi Frank,

    CS3.<<


    I also like the 'temperture' adjustment for JPEG files with the RAW
    tools.


    Best,

    Conrad
     
    Conrad, Jun 29, 2007
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  13. Frank Arthur

    Fat Sam Guest

    But does it really let you do anything extra that can't be acchieved in Jpeg
    RGB or LAB mode?
     
    Fat Sam, Jun 29, 2007
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  14. Frank Arthur

    Joel Guest

    CS2 and I guess that CS3 has "Temperature" and "Explosure" too. Yup!
    CS2/3 have lot more than RAW has to offer, but because they have so many to
    be able to display them all on few simple menus like RAW does, so user has
    to learn what availab;e and where to locate (as well as how to use it etc.).

    I don't use those 2 above (with CS2 and not yet explored CS3 to know much
    about it) but I have seen and tried at least once.
     
    Joel, Jun 29, 2007
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  15. Frank Arthur

    Joel Guest

    It's just another option for one who may be able to take advantage of it,
    or for one who doesn't know LAB or even RGB. Me, I just use some simple
    commands on RGB that I have been using for years.
     
    Joel, Jun 29, 2007
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  16. Frank Arthur

    friesian Guest

    Is there a way without RAW mode to open a batch of jpg files and then
    save them with new names without typing in the repeated names? For
    example, when I open a batch of RAW files, I will make any corrections
    if needed, and I will save them with a new name. I photograph animals,
    so I save them with their name and a number. I can set the program to
    tell it what folder I want to save it in, what name, and a number
    serious. I only have to type the name once.

    So, far with jpgs, I have not found a silar way to do this. There is
    some type of batch function, but I do not want to automatically save
    all of the files. I want to choose which ones I will save. If I
    rename a batch, I ould then have to delete the ones I don't want to
    keep, and that would leave gaps in the numbers. I do not want that.
    Also, I do not want to rename the orginal file. I want to save a new
    copy of the file and save the original.

    I would love to have the same dialog window to work with when saving
    jpgs as I do when saving RAW files.
     
    friesian, Jul 1, 2007
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  17. Frank Arthur

    Joel Guest

    My work requires me to exam and retouch each individual photo separately,
    so I have never batched anything (neither RAW nor JPEG). But I have read
    that you may be able to batch a FOLDER, or you will have to copy the JPEGs
    you can to batch to a specific folder then run either script/action
    (whatever I've never done to remember all small detail myself) and it will
    do the whole folder.
     
    Joel, Jul 1, 2007
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  18. Frank Arthur

    Fat Sam Guest

    Tat's a *batch* of jpeg files you say?
    You did say the word *Batch* didn't you?
    So we're definitely talking about renaming a *batch* of files.
    There's definitely no mistake that we're daling with batches here.
    But hang on, rewind a bit there.
    In your first paragraph you said you DID want to do this to a batch of Jpeg
    files....
    Or did I imagine you using the word *batch*?
    Make up your mind.
    Use your actions pallette.
    Record the process as you do whatever is necessary to one file.
    Then access the newly recorded action through your File>Automate menu.
    This will allow you to batch process all the files in a pre-determined
    location.

    What could be simpler than that?
     
    Fat Sam, Jul 1, 2007
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  19. Frank Arthur

    The Bobert Guest

    Check out Renamer4mac at:
    <http://www.power4mac.com/>

    Does what you want and is free.
     
    The Bobert, Jul 1, 2007
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  20. Frank Arthur

    friesian Guest




    Sorry, I should watch my terminolgy. I was thinking batch as in group,
    not batch operation. I do not want to do a batch operation. For
    example, I want to open 30 photos of a cat named " Sunny" and rename/
    save only the photos that I want to keep, maybe 10-15, and instead of
    names like IMG_9012, I would like to save them as Sunny01, Sunny02,
    etc WITHOUT having to type out the name each time. And without having
    to do a batch and then delete the ones I don't want. I save ALL the
    original files, so I cannot just delete them and then do a batch
    operation.

    I apologize. I meant that I want to open a group of files, but only
    save and rename SOME of the files.

    That requires doing it to ALL the photos in a folder. I want to pick
    and choose. AND I want to have the names done with a sequential
    number. I have not seen any way to do that in an action. It either
    keeps the old name, or it would give the same name to each file.

    With the RAW file system, when I choose save, it gives me a dialog
    window that lets me setup the sequential naming. And when I switch to
    the next cat, I just change the name in one box, and reset the number
    to 01. It is perfect. ALl I want is the same thing with non-RAW files.
    What could be more simple than that? :)
     
    friesian, Jul 2, 2007
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