I was referred to this group

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by JC, Feb 26, 2009.

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    JC Guest

    I posted, and received several informative responses, this over on
    rec.video.desktop and one of the responders referred me to the
    "experts" here. Since posting this over there, I have begun looking at
    the HDR-FX-7. Here's my post. I'd appreciate any information anyone
    would care to offer.

    JC

    **********Beginning of original post************

    I'm recently retired and would like to start up a small video services
    business. Basically all I want to do is family biographies, maybe a
    few small town business histories and such.

    I've been reading a number of books on video and have pretty much
    settled on a particular camcorder, mainly because I don't want to
    spend a lot of money and then discover that my business model is pure
    poo poo. <G>

    I don't expect to have to do much editing in the beginning, although I
    do intend to get the Adobe softward, and perhaps a new computer to go
    with it. I'm thinking some lighting, a better mic, a tripod and one or
    two cameras.

    My question at this point is, would the Sony HDR-SR12 120GB High
    Definition Handycam® Camcorder be a good choice for a starter?

    Thanks,

    JC
     
    JC, Feb 26, 2009
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  2. "JC" <wrote ...
    IME, it is pretty much the same people in r.v.d and r.v.p
    They are essentially interchangable and maybe even redundant,
    at least as I have observed usage in the last several years.

    But it will be interesting to see if you get different people
    responding here.
     
    Richard Crowley, Feb 26, 2009
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    mkujbida Guest


    I'll repeat what I said in r.v.d. and that was:
    Be advised that unless you have at least a quad core computer,
    editing
    this footage will be a nightmare as AVCHD puts a lot of strain on a
    CPU.

    Mike
     
    mkujbida, Feb 26, 2009
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    JC Guest


    I'll repeat what I said in r.v.d. and that was:
    Be advised that unless you have at least a quad core computer,
    editing
    this footage will be a nightmare as AVCHD puts a lot of strain on a
    CPU.

    Mike

    Thanks, but I don't intend to use the AVCHD facility. That's why I'm
    looking at cameras that allow you to record in either DV or HDV. I
    contemplate the majority of the people I will deal with will want
    Standard Definition. And, hopefully, that will allow me to later
    re-sell them a conversion to HDV.

    I do appreciate your response.
     
    JC, Feb 26, 2009
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    Mike Kujbida Guest


    If you want to record DV or HDV, you need to look at a different camcorder.
    Sony says the camera records the following:
    Format(s) Supported : HD: MPEG4 AVC/H.264 SD: MPEG2
    As is the case with most AVCHD camcorders, DV and HDV are not supported.

    Head over to http://www.camcorderinfo.com/ and check out the features of
    various camcorders until you find some that meet your needs.
    Then come back with a few different models and ask again.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Feb 26, 2009
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    JC Guest

    I beg to differ with you sir. I'm looking at a printout of both
    cameras.

    The SR12 says "Format(s) Supported: HD MPEG 4 AVC/H 264 SD MPEG2

    The FX7 says "Format(s) Supported: Real Time HD Codec Engine, HDV/DV
    Recording
    Video Recording System: MPEG2 (HDV), AVI (DV)
    Video Signal: NTSC Color, EIA standards.
     
    JC, Feb 26, 2009
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    Mike Kujbida Guest


    You're correct.
    I completely missed the reference to the FX7 in your post.
    In my defense, you did say "would the Sony HDR-SR12 120GB High
    Definition Handycam® Camcorder be a good choice for a starter?" and
    that's what I was answering.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Feb 26, 2009
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    JC Guest

    Yeah, it's my fault because I did start out with the 12, but only
    because I'm a cheapskate and wanted to shoestring this venture as much
    as possible.
     
    JC, Feb 26, 2009
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    RickMerrill Guest

    FS4 records DV files via firewire directly to the disk - and the disk
    can be used to edit.
     
    RickMerrill, Feb 26, 2009
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    Thomas Guest



    Hi

    The HDR FX7 is an excellent camera

    I have one and use it quite a bit as a second camera or as a deck

    it's very professional in many ways --- controls, features, handling to
    a certain extent.

    The biggest drawback is it isn't very good in low light situations

    you would need to bring extra lights and or a good onboard light in any
    situation where it gets dark because you will get a bit of grain if you
    iris/level up

    otherwise it's a fantastic -- sturdy little axe that FX7 and can be had
    for a song

    it doesn't have xlr audio jacks but I never minded that and use my big
    cameras and a good mixer to sort that out

    ---- Thomas
     
    Thomas, Feb 27, 2009
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    JC Guest

    Thanks to all of you. But one thing I must correct you on. To us old
    farts, 2 grand is a pretty high pitched song. <G>
     
    JC, Feb 27, 2009
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    I would get the business before spending on equipment. That's the single
    biggest mistake made by budding videographers.

    For the first few jobs, you can easily rent.
     
    Larry in AZ, Feb 28, 2009
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    JC Guest

    Thanks, I've been thinking about that.
     
    JC, Feb 28, 2009
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    Good. You're closer to success than hundreds of others who spend
    thousands on equipment first, get no business, then try to peddle it on
    eBay...
     
    Larry in AZ, Mar 2, 2009
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    JC Guest

    No, but I understand you can shoot in HD and convert to SD holding the
    HD for later in the chance someone will want to switch to HD. At
    least, that's the way one of the books I read stated it. I think. <G>
     
    JC, Mar 2, 2009
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    Waiving the right to remain silent, "Gary Templeman"
    Everyone I know with an HDV camera shoots everything in HDV. If the client
    wants SD it's simple to down-convert right out of the camera's playback.

    Shooting HDV costs no more.
     
    Larry in AZ, Mar 3, 2009
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    Exactly...
     
    Larry in AZ, Mar 3, 2009
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    JC Guest

    Thanks. I was hoping I understood that correctly.
     
    JC, Mar 3, 2009
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    JC Guest

    I'm going to go back to where I read that if I can find which book it
    was in. I probably misunderstood what the author was saying. But I do
    remember it being about SD and then converting to HD. I'll check it
    out and see if I can straighten myself out. <G>
     
    JC, Mar 4, 2009
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    JC Guest

    I went online to the Sony site to buy the HDR-FX7 when these popped
    up. If you would take the time, look at the ones where the "new" icon
    shows up and see if they would be worth a look for what I'm wanting to
    do. Of course, the difference between the high-end "new" and the FX7
    is only 500 bucks, unless one of the lesser "new" would suffice, I
    might was well go ahead and get the FX7.

    I appreciate you guys putting up with me. Being recently retired and
    really expecting to be financially restriced, I just don't want to
    make a 3 or 4 grand mistake. As if I've never made one before. <G>
     
    JC, Mar 4, 2009
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