I will say one thing positive about Apple

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    When it comes to distribution, they aren't scum. Amazon on the other
    hand, operates like an EU economy or something out of the 1970's.
    They refuse to ship electronics outside the U.S. in a blatant
    disregard for the principal of free trade agreements. They do this to
    appease in-country distribution channels. The end result is they may
    offer the same product in other countries on their other sites, but at
    hugely inflated prices that do not reflect currency values.
     
    RichA, Oct 5, 2011
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  2. I have no problem buying electronics from China these days. Fantastic
    range of goods, cheaper and likely better quality. Example: FPGA
    programmers for ~US $10.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Oct 5, 2011
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    The restrictions imposed on what Amazon can sell where are imposed by
    the manufacturer, not Amazon. But I am sure you knew that already.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Oct 5, 2011
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  4. RichA

    RichA Guest

    That's amazing. I remember when they cost $200+.
     
    RichA, Oct 5, 2011
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  5. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Rubbish. I can order from MANY other legitimate America
    representatives of manufacturers. B&H, Adorama, etc. Two examples.
    Amazon is LYING if that is their excuse.
     
    RichA, Oct 5, 2011
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  6. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    B&H are notorious for ignoring their distribution agreements and they
    have got into severe trouble on a number of occasions. Adorama is
    probably the same.

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
     
    Eric Stevens, Oct 6, 2011
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    PeterN Guest


    I can remember you bitching about B&H pricing to Canada. You can't even
    remember your own statement.
     
    PeterN, Oct 6, 2011
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  8. RichA

    RichA Guest

    That had to do with things like charging $30 shipping on a 3 oz item,
    not whether or not they would sell it out of country.
    But they aren't the only ones who do that. Side issue; If the U.S.
    post office wanted to pull itself out of it's debt-ridden morass, it
    would start competing with the couriers in a big way. Canada's does
    and they make money as a private corporation. Plus, it would end
    certain disgusting courier scams like charging brokerage fees at the
    destination for cross-border shipping.
     
    RichA, Oct 6, 2011
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    PeterN Guest


    So now you want to run the USPS. What a talented man you are. Let's see.
    You would run:
    Fuji
    USPS
    Amazon
    Kodak
    Canon
    Dpreview

    At this time most would be happy just to be employed by any of them. You
    want to run, or be senior management with all of them.

    Please state your precise qualifications. This is about my fifth or
    sixth request.
    Or, are you so busy trying to convince them that you should take them over.
     
    PeterN, Oct 6, 2011
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    Whisky-dave Guest

    I think it's more complicated than that for some items.
    I tried to order some peizo sounders for a student project from the
    US
    but the company wouldn't ship to certain counties due to COSH
    i.e the product contained chemicals that the UK wouldn't import.

    This is NOT the companies fault

    http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G14378.


    Due to ROHS directives, we only ship to the following countries:
    Australia
    Brazil
    Canada
    Hong Kong
    Japan
    Mexico
    New Zealand
    South Africa
    United States (including U.S. protectorates)
    Please do not email or ask us to ship to a country not listed above.
    Sorry, there are no exceptions.
     
    Whisky-dave, Oct 7, 2011
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : If the U.S. post office wanted to pull itself out of it's debt-ridden
    : morass, it would start competing with the couriers in a big way. Canada's
    : does and they make money as a private corporation. Plus, it would end
    : certain disgusting courier scams like charging brokerage fees at the
    : destination for cross-border shipping.

    It might not work as well as you imagine. The U.S. has tough laws against
    using the mails to defraud, but those laws don't apply to private carriers.
    So most scammers, phony charities, and other shady characters use private
    carriers only. The Postal Service can't get that business, no matter how
    hard they try.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Oct 7, 2011
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  12. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    Uhm!
    Read 13 usc 1341

    Mail fraud also applies to private interstate carriers. It would not
    apply to instate delivery carriers.

    <http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18/18USC01341.html>
     
    PeterN, Oct 7, 2011
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  13. RichA

    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 10/7/2011 11:00 AM, Robert Coe wrote:
    : > : If the U.S. post office wanted to pull itself out of it's debt-ridden
    : > : morass, it would start competing with the couriers in a big way. Canada's
    : > : does and they make money as a private corporation. Plus, it would end
    : > : certain disgusting courier scams like charging brokerage fees at the
    : > : destination for cross-border shipping.
    : >
    : > It might not work as well as you imagine. The U.S. has tough laws against
    : > using the mails to defraud, but those laws don't apply to private carriers.
    : > So most scammers, phony charities, and other shady characters use private
    : > carriers only. The Postal Service can't get that business, no matter how
    : > hard they try.
    : >
    : > Bob
    :
    : Uhm!
    : Read 13 usc 1341
    :
    : Mail fraud also applies to private interstate carriers. It would not
    : apply to instate delivery carriers.

    I'll take your word for that, since I know you're a lawyer (unlike most of the
    jackasses who dispense legal advice on the Internet).

    In our town we get a lot of phone calls from legitimate-sounding charities
    asking for contributions. The way you can identify the phonies is that they
    won't give you an address to which to send a check. Instead, they tell you
    they'll send someone around to pick it up. If you say you're not going to be
    home, they tell you to put the check in an envelope and tape it to your front
    door.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Oct 7, 2011
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    George Kerby Guest

    What's in the water in your town?!?

    ;-)
     
    George Kerby, Oct 8, 2011
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    Irwell Guest

    I asked one for his phone number, he said they can't take incoming
    calls.
     
    Irwell, Oct 8, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    IRS publishes a list of all qualified organizations.


    <http://www.irs.gov/app/pub-78/>

    You may also verify the information with the Secretary of State in your
    State. The hucksters take advantage of people who are too lazy, or
    trusting to check.
     
    PeterN, Oct 9, 2011
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    So you're a communist who has inside access to corporate marketing
    decisions.
    Kook
     
    Ray Fischer, Oct 9, 2011
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  18. That's been my experience with Chinese sellers on eBay. Shipping to the U.S.
    is not lightning fast (I suspect nearly all of the delay is at the U.S. end,
    customs), sometimes slower than others, but prices are great, quality is
    good, and the several sellers I've bought from have been scrupulously
    honest.

    I buy all of my eyeglasses from Zenni Optical in California. The glasses are
    made in China and shipped back to Zenni who mails them to me. Generally get
    'em in less than two weeks from the time of my online order. Quality is
    fine, and prices are ridiculously low compared to any local optician.

    You just can't beat China for some of these things.
     
    Neil Harrington, Oct 9, 2011
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  19. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    I happily pay a local optician for his ability to measure my varifocals.
    I have heard horror stories about varifocals not working, but mine were
    fine from day one.
    With some glasses cheaper does work. However, I am willing to pay a few
    bucks to help keep the small guy in business. If China decides to raise
    prices after all the small guys are out of business, we will be in
    deeper crap than now.
    IMHO those who buy strictly on price are being short sighted.
     
    PeterN, Oct 9, 2011
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  20. Uh, "varifocals"? What are they? What does he measure?
    I did exactly that for decades -- an optician just down the street from me,
    working alone in his small store. He did good work, but never had the
    glasses ready on time. When I would call him to see if the glasses were
    ready yet, calling when he had said they'd be ready, they weren't. The main
    problem apparently was his one-man operation. When customers came in to ask
    about glasses, try them on, etc., he'd have to stop working on whatever
    glasses he was assembling. Then there were phone calls interrupting his
    work, some of them from me of course. Once he told me, "They'd probably be
    ready if you didn't keep calling." I pointed out that I only called at a
    time he had told me they'd be ready.

    And so on. Once I discovered Zenni Optical, all that was over with -- and
    prices were so low I could buy lots more pairs of glasses, trying different
    styles etc.
    They would have to raise prices by a pretty steep multiple for that to make
    any difference to me. And don't forget Zenni is in competition themselves
    with *other* Chinese eyeglass makers. Their prices will always be
    competitive.
    Not "strictly on price," but price, quality, choices and service all
    together.
     
    Neil Harrington, Oct 10, 2011
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