I won a Charlie Award....without entering the competition...

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by T. Heslenfeld, Sep 12, 2009.

  1. Wow, that's great, one of my Antarctica images won a Charlie Award in the
    US!

    But wait...what's this? I never entered this competition. The fancy gala
    diner was three
    weeks ago. And nobody told me?!

    An interesting story, to put it mildly. Read all about it here:
    http://www.thijsheslenfeld.com/text.php?catId=15776


    T. Heslenfeld
    travel photographer
    www.thijsheslenfeld.com
     
    T. Heslenfeld, Sep 12, 2009
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  2. T. Heslenfeld

    Me Guest

    So what's the problem?
    It seems like the "FMA" accepts entries only from magazines, and you're
    not a magazine, you're a photographer who sold rights to publish the
    photo in their magazine.
    The magazine won a prize, using your photo. You are listed on the
    credits. It cost then $45 to enter it, and there's no prize money (?).
    So the magazine won a photo in a "single photo" category. Surely not
    the first time that a magazine won a prize due to contribution from a
    freelancer.
    The FMA site doesn't even publish a copy of your photo, which they
    probably could do if they wanted, under "fair use".
    The magazine still can't sell prints of your photo.
    Meh - bad form by the magazine, but OTOH it probably presents more
    opportunities to you than quantifiable "losses".
    Tee-shirts with your photo, or travel agents using it, and get them to
    pay, or sue their arses.
    Until then, chill out. It's still your photo, and far worse things happen.
     
    Me, Sep 12, 2009
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  3. T. Heslenfeld

    Boris Guest

    The magazine didn't have the courtesy to either inform the OP that they'd
    entered his work in a competeion, or even worse inform him that his work
    had actually won that competition. He only found out by accident.

    That's the problem.

    What seems to have escaped your notice is that all all these "possible benefits"
    which you're so happy to crow about -

    "it probably presents more opportunities to you than quantifiable "losses".
    Tee-shirts with your photo, or travel agents using it, and get them to
    pay, or sue their arses.

    could have been of no possible benefit to the OP, had he not discovered
    he'd won this prize totally by accident. Because to repeat - the magazine
    didn't even have to courtesy to inform him that he'd won.

    Get the picture ?


    michael adams

    ....
     
    Boris, Sep 12, 2009
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  4. He didn't win any prize. The magazine did.
     
    Robert Spanjaard, Sep 12, 2009
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  5. T. Heslenfeld

    Boris Guest

    The prize was awarded for -

    " the 'Best Single, Original Color Photo - "

    As taken by the OP. If the OP had been complimented on winning the prize
    and possibly sounded out for a commision, in a situation where he didn't even
    know he'd won it, then he could possibly have been left looking foolish. Or
    as suffering from mental bewiderment.

    The "Tee shirt" suggestion was only left in to show up the seeming level of "expertise"
    evident in some of the responses on this NG.

    Maybe you should be posting in a magazines production newsgroup. This newsgroup is
    about photography and the people who practise it.

    Anyway it's nice to see some of pretend pros on this NG showing themselves in their
    true colours and siding with a bunch of late paying scumbags against a published
    professional photographer.

    You simply couldn't make it up



    michael adams

    ...
     
    Boris, Sep 12, 2009
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  6. And awarded to the magazine that published it. It's a publishing award,
    regardless of who provided the content.
    He didn't win it, the magazine did.
    I'm sorry, I thought Heslenfeld was a practising photographer.
    Simply stating the truth doesn't mean I'm siding with anyone, and I don't
    pretend to be a pro.
     
    Robert Spanjaard, Sep 12, 2009
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  7. T. Heslenfeld

    Boris Guest

    You weren't even aware of the nature of the OP's fully justified
    and specific complaint against the magazine. Which was that
    they didn't even have the courtesy to inform him. Either that
    they'd entered his work in a competion, or that his work
    had won it.

    Anything else they may or may not have done pales into
    insignificance when compared with sheer downright ignorance
    and bad manners of their behaviour in that regard.

    In other words, the gist of his entire post went straight over
    the top of your head. So that your remark about "bad form" is totally
    meaningless as you didn't have the faintest idea of what he was complaining
    of in the first place. And was about on a par with your "helpful" suggestion
    that he should get some tee-shirts printed up. Presumably so as to impress
    the eskimos and polar bears on his next visit to the icy wastes.
    To sum anything up, you have to be aware of what what's being complained
    of in the first place. You clearly didn't. And quite possibly still
    don't, by the looks of things.


    michael adams

    ....
     
    Boris, Sep 12, 2009
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  8. T. Heslenfeld

    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : > Nice of you to snip out my comment:
    :
    : > "Meh - bad form by the magazine"
    :
    : You weren't even aware of the nature of the OP's fully justified
    : and specific complaint against the magazine. Which was that
    : they didn't even have the courtesy to inform him. Either that
    : they'd entered his work in a competion, or that his work
    : had won it.
    :
    : Anything else they may or may not have done pales into
    : insignificance when compared with sheer downright ignorance
    : and bad manners of their behaviour in that regard.
    :
    : In other words, the gist of his entire post went straight over
    : the top of your head. So that your remark about "bad form" is
    : totally meaningless as you didn't have the faintest idea of what
    : he was complaining of in the first place. And was about on a par
    : with your "helpful" suggestion that he should get some tee-shirts
    : printed up. Presumably so as to impress the eskimos and polar
    : bears on his next visit to the icy wastes.
    :
    : > Which sums it up, and refutes the nonsense you write above.
    :
    : To sum anything up, you have to be aware of what what's being
    : complained of in the first place. You clearly didn't. And quite
    : possibly still don't, by the looks of things.

    You think there are Eskimos and polar bears in Antarctica, yet you have the
    temerity to ridicule someone else's understanding of the OP's original
    complaint? <guffaw>!!

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 12, 2009
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  9. T. Heslenfeld

    Me Guest

    Much worse things routinely happen wrt copyright abuse and photos, and
    they involve significant (or potential) financial loss rather then "hurt
    feelings". The OP is being precious.

    Bye.
     
    Me, Sep 12, 2009
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  10. No, the gist of his entire post went completely over *your* head. He's a
    well-known spammer. Has been trying to sell his beginner's photography for
    years now. He thinks if he travels somewhere with a camera and takes enough
    tourists' snapshots that that automatically turns him into a professional
    photographer. The whole thing was to start a controversy so all you fools
    would go to his pathetic website. Catch up.
     
    Ghett A. Kleu, Sep 13, 2009
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  11. T. Heslenfeld

    Ofnuts Guest

    And he seems to have been quite successful at it, no?
     
    Ofnuts, Sep 13, 2009
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  12. T. Heslenfeld

    Boris Guest

    I never mentioned Antarctica anywhere in my post. When you've finally
    managed to sponge all the dribble from your keyboard from all the
    guffawing, you might try and work out for yourself why I specifically
    referred to "icy wastes" there. If not, maybe you could ask a grown
    up to help you out.


    michael adams

    ....
     
    Boris, Sep 13, 2009
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  13. T. Heslenfeld

    Boris Guest

    <quote>


    Thijs Heslenfeld's "Cold - Sailing to Antarctica" is a truly unique book here at
    Stanfords, a personal journey recorded in both photography and print that will
    captivate and inspire.

    "Antarctica has become the subject of countless photographic books. But this one
    stands out from the crowd. (...) Dutch photographer Thijs Heslenfeld has succeeded
    where I feel others have failed. Cold isn't a sugar-coated portrait of the continent;
    it looks bleak, capricious and genuinely wild. (...) I've never been lucky enough
    to go to Antarctica, but after seeing this book, I feel I've got a little bit closer."
    - Wanderlust

    "Cold is a successful book. It is beautiful; the images are simply stunning.They present
    a slightly unusual view of Antarctica, unusual in that they don't offer up photos of
    fluffy penguins, nor do they conform to the uniformity of the stark images used to
    depict global warming." - Professional Photographer

    <quote>

    http://www.stanfords.co.uk/stock/cold-165672/

    And for your own next book ?

    "Ten Years Sitting in Front a Computer Screen in my Underpants, Typing Gibberish,
    While Eating Tubs of Ice-Cream"

    by Klueless Wannabee


    michael adams

    ....
     
    Boris, Sep 13, 2009
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  14. T. Heslenfeld

    J. Clarke Guest

    Don't waste your time, just killfile the twit.
     
    J. Clarke, Sep 13, 2009
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  15. That's all fine and well, but it won't make either of them less of a
    spammer, nor you less of a troll.
     
    Reality Czech, Sep 13, 2009
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  16. T. Heslenfeld

    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : > :
    : > : > Nice of you to snip out my comment:
    : > :
    : > : > "Meh - bad form by the magazine"
    : > :
    : > : You weren't even aware of the nature of the OP's fully justified
    : > : and specific complaint against the magazine. Which was that
    : > : they didn't even have the courtesy to inform him. Either that
    : > : they'd entered his work in a competion, or that his work
    : > : had won it.
    : > :
    : > : Anything else they may or may not have done pales into
    : > : insignificance when compared with sheer downright ignorance
    : > : and bad manners of their behaviour in that regard.
    : > :
    : > : In other words, the gist of his entire post went straight over
    : > : the top of your head. So that your remark about "bad form" is
    : > : totally meaningless as you didn't have the faintest idea of what
    : > : he was complaining of in the first place. And was about on a par
    : > : with your "helpful" suggestion that he should get some tee-shirts
    : > : printed up. Presumably so as to impress the eskimos and polar
    : > : bears on his next visit to the icy wastes.
    : > :
    : > : > Which sums it up, and refutes the nonsense you write above.
    : > :
    : > : To sum anything up, you have to be aware of what what's being
    : > : complained of in the first place. You clearly didn't. And quite
    : > : possibly still don't, by the looks of things.
    : >
    : > You think there are Eskimos and polar bears in Antarctica, yet you have the
    : > temerity to ridicule someone else's understanding of the OP's original
    : > complaint? <guffaw>!!
    : >
    : > Bob
    :
    : I never mentioned Antarctica anywhere in my post. When you've finally
    : managed to sponge all the dribble from your keyboard from all the
    : guffawing, you might try and work out for yourself why I specifically
    : referred to "icy wastes" there. If not, maybe you could ask a grown
    : up to help you out.

    The subject under discussion in this thread is an award won, directly or
    indirectly, by a picture taken in Antarctica. Did you not notice that? And if
    you didn't, why *did* you refer to "icy wastes"?

    My comment stands as written.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 13, 2009
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  17. T. Heslenfeld

    Boris Guest



    Given that his photograph brought the magazine attention it might not
    otherwise have recieved, and given that the magazine at least thought
    the competetion was worth entering in the first place, the least they
    could have done was tell him that his image had won an award, and thank
    him for his contribution to their success in the competition.

    To have not done so, is simply ignorance and bad manners on their part.


    michael adams

    ....
     
    Boris, Sep 13, 2009
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  18. T. Heslenfeld

    Boris Guest


    Because penguins are unlikely to be impressed by his wearing a tee shirt and
    are thus unlikely to commission any work from him. Unlike say eskimos.

    HTH

    Doubtless you'll now take the opportunity to point out that the idea of anyone
    wearing a tee shirt in the icy wastes simply to impress some eskimos is
    absurd to start with.


    Good. Why print it out, frame it, and stick it on the wall ?


    michael adams

    ....
     
    Boris, Sep 13, 2009
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  19. T. Heslenfeld

    Pete D Guest

    And you a total absolute nothing sitting in your underpants. Hows the
    icecream?
     
    Pete D, Sep 13, 2009
    #19
  20. T. Heslenfeld

    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : > T. Heslenfeld wrote:
    : > > Wow, that's great, one of my Antarctica images won a Charlie Award in the
    : > > US!
    : > >
    : > > But wait...what's this? I never entered this competition. The fancy gala
    : > > diner was three
    : > > weeks ago. And nobody told me?!
    : > >
    : > > An interesting story, to put it mildly. Read all about it here:
    : > > http://www.thijsheslenfeld.com/text.php?catId=15776
    : > >
    : > >
    : > So what's the problem?
    :
    : The magazine didn't have the courtesy to either inform the OP that they'd
    : entered his work in a competeion, or even worse inform him that his work
    : had actually won that competition. He only found out by accident.
    :
    : That's the problem.
    :
    : What seems to have escaped your notice is that all all these "possible benefits"
    : which you're so happy to crow about -
    :
    : "it probably presents more opportunities to you than quantifiable "losses".
    : Tee-shirts with your photo, or travel agents using it, and get them to
    : pay, or sue their arses.
    :
    : could have been of no possible benefit to the OP, had he not discovered
    : he'd won this prize totally by accident. Because to repeat - the magazine
    : didn't even have to courtesy to inform him that he'd won.
    :
    : Get the picture ?
    :
    :
    : michael adams
    :
    : ...
    :
    : > It seems like the "FMA" accepts entries only from magazines, and you're
    : > not a magazine, you're a photographer who sold rights to publish the
    : > photo in their magazine.
    : > The magazine won a prize, using your photo. You are listed on the
    : > credits. It cost then $45 to enter it, and there's no prize money (?).
    : > So the magazine won a photo in a "single photo" category. Surely not
    : > the first time that a magazine won a prize due to contribution from a
    : > freelancer.
    : > The FMA site doesn't even publish a copy of your photo, which they
    : > probably could do if they wanted, under "fair use".
    : > The magazine still can't sell prints of your photo.
    : > Meh - bad form by the magazine, but OTOH it probably presents more
    : > opportunities to you than quantifiable "losses".
    : > Tee-shirts with your photo, or travel agents using it, and get them to
    : > pay, or sue their arses.
    : > Until then, chill out. It's still your photo, and far worse things happen.

    My sympathy for Heslenfeld is tempered by the observation that he appropriated
    the name of his book from the late Laurence McKinley Gould, who visited
    Antarctica as an explorer (and colleague of Admiral Byrd), not as a tourist.

    I read Gould's "Cold" and Byrd's "Little America" when I was about 13 years
    old and living in Mississippi. Those books could make you shiver on a broiling
    hot day.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 15, 2009
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