If a 10M DSLR can only take 1GB memory card, what will happen?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006.

  1. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    Well, the coming Pentax 10M DSLR is a DSLR using SD memory card:-

    http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_for_link/44665-3308-5-1.html

    However, common/industrial standard of SD card is bounded at the 1GB
    ceiling:-

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0603/06030902panasonic4gbsdhc.asp

    ... and there is no standard estabished with SD card higher than 1GB and
    even the SDHC standard by Panasonic has not yet been finalised but the
    worse thing is Phil Askey says that the SDHC is NOT compatible with
    standard SD cameras!

    Thus, what do you think? (if a 10M DSLR can only take either =<1GB SD
    card or only to take the coming SDHC card)

    RiceHigh
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    RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006
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    D-Mac Guest

    --
    It's not an issue for most people. The SD cards are considerably faster than
    the CFC cards and anyone needing some assurance of image safety only uses 1
    gig cards anyway. If you limit the card to only 80% full, you can fit all
    the data from it onto a CD so the seemingly small storage is really not all
    that much of an issue.

    I use a 5D and 1 gig cards at 80%. I recently had an assistant dumping the
    cards to CD via my notebook at a fast moving shoot. I still haven't got an
    accurate image count but it's in the 4 figure region and I only used 3 CFCs
    on the job.

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    D-Mac, Mar 21, 2006
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    John Francis Guest

    No it isn't. You can already buy 2GB SD cards, which are reported to
    work just fine in current SD cameras, and 4GB cards are just appearing.
    So what? That doesn't say you can't use an SD card in a SDHC camera;
    just that you can't go the other way. As long as the camera has a SDHC
    slot, you'll be able to use SD media or SDHC media.
    I think that you're clutching at straws in your anti-Pentax crusade.
     
    John Francis, Mar 21, 2006
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  4. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    The 2GB and 4GB SD cards which are currently on market are *not* built
    according to *any* standard set by the SD Association (as the standard
    has NOT yet been finalised) and thus these non-standard items will
    likely have compatibility problem later on with older and newer devices
    which don't support these "special" SD card. A good example is that
    some *ist DS user reported that some 2GB card cannot work on the camera
    with latest firmware. (if interested, do a search at the various
    forums).

    My advice is to avoid 2GB and 4GB SD cards which can be purchased now
    and get these later on when the STANDARDS have been finalised.

    Anyway, you can buy as many cards as you like and any card you like
    with your own money. There is none of my business here.

    RiceHigh
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    RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006
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  5. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006
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  6. you missed the point that:

    "There is a catch though, Secure Digital was never designed for
    capacities over 1 GB, that was solved but then addressing anything over
    2 GB became the next problem"

    thus the actual limit is 2GB. How many Compact Flash cards bigger than
    2GB you have? And do you really think that 100-150 (roughly) RAW images
    on a single card is serious limitation?


    B.
     
    Bronek Kozicki, Mar 21, 2006
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  7. may I know what standard bodies are you involved in? You speak as if you
    know about standarization process a lot, after all.


    B.
     
    Bronek Kozicki, Mar 21, 2006
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  8. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    I have already quoted my source of reference, as you should have known,
    because you have also quoted it. It is what Phil Askey says at the
    Dpreview news.If you have shown that you have got it, why ask insane
    and redundant question?

    I stated my view point based on something which I have also posted
    here. You speak as if you're becoming very angry just for what I have
    said for a simple comment as my opinion.

    RiceHigh
    http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh
     
    RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006
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  9. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    Okay, thanks for the correction. However, there is absolutely no point
    to conclude that a 2GB card is more than enough for a 10M DSLR. 2G
    maybe enough for your own current requirements but quite some D200
    users have already found that they have often found their card full
    owing to the large file size of the 10M files.

    I had my Pentax *ist D 6M DSLR two years ago and I had a 4G card with
    me for travel and it is still not adequate even I shot in jpeg mode,
    thus I need to bring one more CF card, that is, two cards with me!

    I think it's off topic and irrelevant when I talked about the SD card
    capacity limit and you're talking about the limit is more than adequate
    afterall..

    RiceHigh
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    RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006
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  10. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    Okay, thanks for the correction. However, there is absolutely no point
    to conclude that a 2GB card is more than enough for a 10M DSLR. 2G
    maybe enough for your own current requirements but quite some D200
    users have already found that they have often found their card full
    owing to the large file size of the 10M files.

    I had my Pentax *ist D 6M DSLR two years ago and I had a 4G card with
    me for travel and it is still not adequate even I shot in jpeg mode,
    thus I need to bring one more CF card, that is, two cards with me!

    I think it's off topic and irrelevant when I talked about the SD card
    capacity limit and you're talking about the limit is more than adequate
    afterall..

    RiceHigh
    http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh
     
    RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006
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  11. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    Okay, thanks for the correction. However, there is absolutely no point
    to conclude that a 2GB card is more than enough for a 10M DSLR. 2G
    maybe enough for your own current requirements but quite some D200
    users have already found that they have often found their card full
    owing to the large file size of the 10M files.

    I had my Pentax *ist D 6M DSLR two years ago and I had a 4G card with
    me for travel and it is still not adequate even I shot in jpeg mode,
    thus I need to bring one more CF card, that is, two cards with me!

    I think it's off topic and irrelevant when I talked about the SD card
    capacity limit and you're talking about the limit is more than adequate
    afterall..

    RiceHigh
    http://www.geocities.com/ricehigh
     
    RiceHigh, Mar 21, 2006
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  12. RiceHigh

    wayne Guest

    Well I don't see the problem. I use 1G cards and while I've been
    testing the 10M Nikon D200 for DIMi I haven't found the card size a
    limitation at all. On the D200 I've been getting around 59 RAW
    (actually NEF but same thing) and this is fine for a single card.

    Cheers,

    Wayne
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    wayne, Mar 21, 2006
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  13. RiceHigh

    Frank ess Guest


    I'm having a bit of rough road with a new San Disk Ultima II
    2GB SD card: the camera uses it and shows stored images, but the usual
    (Belkin) USB 2-fast card reader attached to the usual computer (sony
    desktop) can't stand it, calls it "unreadable". A HP notebook's
    built-in reader calls it an empty drive (Please insert a disk into
    drive O). A three-year-old no-name 6-format Firewire reader attached
    to the Sony gobbles it up like an old flame. All three readers see all
    five of the other-size (1GB, 512 MB) SD cards from San Disk and all
    other mfrs.

    Mr San Disk seems hesitant to exchange the SD card; I think us San
    Disk users shouldn't have to shop around for a reader that doesn't
    discriminate.

    Actually, I kind of like the idea that some of this electron-ish stuff
    has a soul. I just don't like to deal with the reality of it.
     
    Frank ess, Mar 22, 2006
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  14. Yup, your excess baggage bills on flights must be crippling! ;-)

    *Two* CF cards! Woohoo!
     
    Kennedy McEwen, Mar 22, 2006
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  15. Still strikes me as rather than better than film in this regard. It's
    not like a couple of additional SD cards take up much space or add much
    weight.

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    Marc Sabatella, Mar 22, 2006
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    Rod Williams Guest

    I have two 2 gig Sandisk ultraII cards for my Rebel XT. I also have a
    Sandisk reader that reads something like 10 different card types. No
    problems whatsoever with the 2 gig cards.
     
    Rod Williams, Mar 22, 2006
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  17. RiceHigh

    Rod Williams Guest

    I have one question about this entire thread. What is the highest number
    of pictures on a roll of film? 100 to 150 RAW images on a tiny memory
    card compared to several rolls of film? Personally, I would have several
    memory cards so all of my pictures are not on the same card in case
    something goes wrong.
     
    Rod Williams, Mar 22, 2006
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  18. RiceHigh

    Frank ess Guest

    Thank you. I've been kind of expecting they will sell me one of their
    readers...
     
    Frank ess, Mar 22, 2006
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  19. RiceHigh

    RiceHigh Guest

    You have no problem with your 2GB cards for your Rebel XT just because
    they are CF cards, not SD ones! CF card's upper limit is not at 1GB (or
    maybe atmost 2G *recently*, according to what Phil Askey says). So,
    everything must be compatible. In contrast, this is not true for SD.

    RiceHigh
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    RiceHigh, Mar 22, 2006
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  20. Somebody, I think Fuji, made 72 exposure rolls of one of their films
    (with a very thin base). Of course, if you got the special backs, you
    could run 250 exposure rolls, but few people did.
    100 images to a card means that I could easily need 5 cards for a
    single day of shooting, if I didn't have time or facilities to offload
    them onto something else during the day.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Mar 22, 2006
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