If you sent two people into the field...

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, Jul 20, 2005.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    One with one of the latest ultra zoom (say 28mm-400mm equivalents)
    point and shoots and the other person with a DSLR with a zoom with
    a 18mm-70mm zoom and had them both shoot a number of things, would
    the extra zoom of the point and shoot tip the advantage of getting
    a the best picture in favour of the P&S user? Or, would the sheer
    extra quality of the DSLR shooter win out? Lets say the DSLR had
    6-8 megapixels while the P&S shooter had 5 megapixels.
    -Rich
     
    RichA, Jul 20, 2005
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    Pete D Guest

    Lets say, please don't feed the troll, it only encourages him.
     
    Pete D, Jul 20, 2005
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    Charlie Self Guest

    I guess. Especially without considering shot selection, composition,
    exposure choices and a host of other shot quality factors that have to
    do with the shooter and not the equipment. While the equipment may
    limit or enable some choices, the old idea that it's possible to take
    photos with an oatmeal box still works.
     
    Charlie Self, Jul 20, 2005
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    Pete D Guest

    Have you seen the test setup with a D-SLR and simply a pinhole in the body
    cover and also taken one step further with a "zoom" lens made from toilet
    roll tubes? Anything will work, does not mean it is the beat way to go. I
    personally do lots of "playing around" with my D-SLR that is not possible
    with my P&S, mind you there is a couple of features on my P&S that simply
    kills the D-SLR, the holographic laser focusing is amazing in zero light
    conditions (caving).
     
    Pete D, Jul 20, 2005
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    MarkH Guest

    Surely it would depend on a number of factors?

    There are times when you can't get close enough to a subject and really
    need the zoom: Advantage - camera with more zoom.

    There are times when you want to take a photo, but the light is poor:
    Advantage - camera with better high ISO performance i.e. D-SLR.

    There are times when you need fast AF and quick response: Advantage - D-SLR

    There are times when a troll will ask a question and deliberately include
    factors that are stupid.

    The fact is: An Ultra-Zoom P&S that has the equivalent of 28-400 will have
    many disadvantages when compared to a D-SLR (including the zoom range being
    limited to 28-400), but will be a good choice if its capabilities meet your
    requirements.

    A D-SLR can easily out perform the P&S in almost every way, but:
    The D-SLR will be more expensive, especially when adding the lenses to
    equal or better the zoom range of the P&S.
    The D-SLR will be larger and heavier.
    The D-SLR will not have certain features like movie mode or live preview on
    LCD.

    The P&S could be a good choice - but anyone buying one should be aware of
    both the advantages AND the disadvantages. The main limitations are on
    high ISO and shooting fast action, though some models may not be as bad as
    others.
     
    MarkH, Jul 20, 2005
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    dylan Guest

    ...it would be George Preddy and RichA ;O)
     
    dylan, Jul 20, 2005
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    Paul H. Guest


    Hear, hear!

    I hope they leave soon, too...

    And I hope the field is in tornado country...

    And there are no phones nearby...

    And wolves have been lately re-introduced into the area...
     
    Paul H., Jul 20, 2005
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    RichA Guest

    This issue has already been discussed in other forums and
    a couple photographic magazines. I guess they need you
    as editor?
     
    RichA, Jul 20, 2005
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  9. Let's make it a threesome and send 'Foto Ryadia's Studio' too.
     
    Psych-O-Delic Voodoo Thunder Pig, Jul 21, 2005
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    Pete D Guest

    I new there was someone else I needed to killfile!!
     
    Pete D, Jul 21, 2005
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    Hunt Guest

    I'd say that the artistic (and in my book, art presupposes techinical talent)
    talent will get the best images.

    Hunt
     
    Hunt, Jul 22, 2005
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    Zed Pobre Guest

    His question kind of presupposes two photographers with roughly
    equivalent skills. The answer with that assumption is that it depends
    on the subject matter and intended output format.

    The DSLR will obviously win on landscape shots (wider angle, better
    aperture range, better dynamic range, higher quality glass and
    sensor), probably continue to win on portraits and scenes in less than
    optimal light.

    The P&S will absolutely dominate wildlife shots in bright light, even
    at a 5MP to 8MP disadvantage, unless the glass on it absolutely
    sucks. It may also dominate other scenes 12 hours of shooting later,
    where the carrier of the heavier DSLR is too tired to keep his arms
    from shaking.

    It's kind of an unrealistic comparison, however, because the owner of
    the DSLR will probably also have a telephoto lens to cover the
    necessary range.

    Personally, I'm quite fascinated by the release of the Panasonic
    FZ-30. I was rather underimpressed by the FZ-20, but the FZ-30 looks
    like an excellent compromise between flexibility, weight, and quality
    -- at least if the lens and sensor quality bears out to be decent.

    If it does, I will probably pick it up this winter to be a backup
    camera to my 20D.
     
    Zed Pobre, Jul 22, 2005
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    RichA Guest

    I doubt that for one reason, the people buying the entry level DSLRs
    are not the same as people who bought SLRs 15 years ago. Go into the
    better photographic stores and just listen to some of the customers
    buying DSLRs. You can tell they've never owned anything more complex
    than a P&S. They buy the DSLR with whatever lens is being pushed
    (mostly the kits) by the seller and really don't think (at that point)
    about longer lenses, especially fixed-focal length lenses.
    The crying shame of it is that they can't afford to put a really good
    sensor in a point and shoot right now. Some of the marketing even
    defies logic. Fuji puts the low noise sensor in the T10, a crappy
    little silver point and shoot instead of in a prosumer. Why???
    As cheap DSLRs keep being introduced, the chances of getting a
    prosumer with a decent sensor is even more remote.
     
    RichA, Jul 23, 2005
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    Pete D Guest

    What utter rubbish, the same people that bought SLR's 15 or 20 or 30 years
    ago, will buy the cheap end because that is what they can afford.
     
    Pete D, Jul 27, 2005
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