Ilfochreom slide film from around 1985, what was it?

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by tinnews, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. tinnews

    tinnews Guest

    I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted
    down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films
    myself, would they have been an E6 process or what?

    I've done quite a bit of Google searching but the results get swamped
    by Ilfochrome (ex Cibachrome) paper so I haven't had much luck.

    I can remember most of the other stuff I processed myself (e.g.
    Ektachrome E6 and the Agfachrome which *wasn't* E6) but this
    Ilfochrome just doesn't ring a bell with me.
     
    tinnews, Dec 7, 2008
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    Marty Fremen Guest


    I remember Ilfochrome film, I used it for a while as it was quite cheap.
    I have a feeling it may have been rebadged Agfachrome, I feel sure Ilford
    bought it in from someone else anyhow as they were only really known for
    making b/w film themselves.

    Are you sure the 1980's Agfachrome wasn't E6? I thought pretty much all
    slide films of that era were E6. The only non-E6 film I can recall using
    back then was Ektachrome Infra Red which I think was an old E4 emulsion.
     
    Marty Fremen, Dec 8, 2008
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    tinnews Guest

    No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the
    Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. I even have one box of slides
    that I *didn't* process myself which have "Ilfochrome" on the plastic
    slide mounts. All the ones I have were taken in 1984 and 1985, it
    looks as if I might have bought six or ten films a one time at a
    special price or something like that.
     
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    tinnews Guest

    That could well be it, I probably bought quite a lot at one go. I
    lived in the Middle East at the time and bought film when I came home
    to the UK on leave. I did find one reference suggesting that
    Ilfochrome was re-badged Fujichrome.

    I think it changed in the late 1980s, the Agfachrome that I used as my
    main film from 1981 through to about 1985 or 1986 was most definitely
    not E6. It was an easier process (IMHO) for home processing as the
    temperature for the chemicals was very close to ambient (at least in
    the Middle East!) whereas E6 chemicals had to be well above ambient.

    I bought the film in bulk and the chemicals from a company somewhere
    in Hertfordshire - like Hoddesden, or Ware I think.
     
    tinnews, Dec 8, 2008
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  5. Where does it it say was the country of manufacture?
    You could usually work out who'd made it from that.
    IIRC, the usual suspects were:
    Germany - Agfa ;
    Japan - Konica or Fuji;
    Italy - 3M
     
    Willy Eckerslyke, Dec 8, 2008
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    tinnews Guest

    I've found the "non-E6" information!

    The chemicals and bulk film came from a company called Lingcolor in
    Hitchin (well, it is Hertfordshire!). There were three types of film
    available, Agfachrome 50S, Agfachrome 50L and Agfachrome 100.

    The processing times were given for temperatures from 20 to 24.4
    celsius which suited me very well. I got very consistent results from
    the process whereas I sometimes had problems with E6.

    I have a note on one of the Lingcolor sheets saying "1st pack made up
    on 14/Dec/1984". Another pack has dates through 1985 and 1986.

    I can find no references at all to them now.

    I suppose it's possible that the Lingcolor kits were actually E6 but
    I'm pretty sure they were marketed as being compatible only with the
    Agfachrome films of the time. (The main Agfa slide film available
    then was "Agfacolor CT18")
     
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    tinnews Guest

    Where would I see "the country of manufacture"? All I have is several
    sets of mounted slides, no cassettes or anyhthing else like that. I
    suppose I could unmount some slides and look to see if there's
    anything in the film margin.
     
    tinnews, Dec 8, 2008
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    tinnews Guest

    Ah, thank you, at least it proves my memory is about right.

    I'm still stuck on the Ilfochrome though! :)
     
    tinnews, Dec 8, 2008
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  9. Sorry, I misread your original post thinking you had _unprocessed_
    Ilfochrome film.

    There's a mention of Ilfochcrome slide film here (1982):

    http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Ilford/Chronology.html

    "Ilford return to the world of colour films (which they left at the
    start of 1969) with the re-introduction of an Ilfochrome colour slide
    film, named Ifochrome 100. An E6 process compatible film, priced £1.60
    for a 20exp 35mm and £2.08 for a 36exposure. An Ilfochrome RP6 500cc
    processing kit (suitable for all E6 reversal films) was priced at £6.25,
    sufficient to process eight 24exp or five 36exp films. The film was not
    (?) marketed for more than a few years."

    No mention of manufacturer, but the 1984 entry implies that Sakura
    (later Konica) were the makers of Ilforcolor print film, so it wouldn't
    be much of a leap to assume that they made the slide film too.
     
    Willy Eckerslyke, Dec 8, 2008
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    tinnews Guest

    That sounds about right, thank you! So it was E6 (and thus I could
    have processed some of them myself) and the dates are right.
     
    tinnews, Dec 8, 2008
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    tinnews Guest

    Thank you! That fits in very well with my evidence (such as it is).
    My Ilfochrome slides are much as you describe with a tendency to be
    rather on the dark side as well and, as you say, not very warm.
     
    tinnews, Dec 9, 2008
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    Derek Guest

    I'd take a wild stab and say it was manufactured in the UK the Ilford
    factory is about 10 miles from me in Mobberley Cheshire though they have all
    but left the film market there is still a website at
    http://www.ilford.com/en/ up to 10 years ago we were airfreighting roll
    film and plate for them weekly by the tonnes. For a period they were part of
    the Ciba -Geigy group.
    DerekW
     
    Derek, Dec 14, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    The Mobberley operation was taken over by Harman Technologies who make
    a full range of Ilford B&W film, paper and chemicals as well as offering
    B&W developing and printing.

    http://www.ilfordphoto.com/
     
    Rob Morley, Dec 15, 2008
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    Bruce Guest



    It was made in Japan, by Konishiroku Photo Industry Co. Ltd., also
    known as "Konica". Konishiroku made Japan's first colour film in
    1940, under the Sakura brand which survived for several decades before
    being changed to Konica.


    Ilford's photographic film sales have grown every year for the past
    3-4 years. There has been a decline in sales of X-ray film which has
    largely been replaced by digital technology.
     
    Bruce, Dec 15, 2008
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    Derek Guest

    Sounds a bit like today then, trail items twice round the world to sell to
    americans. You would think it would make more sense to send them to the US
    direct for packaging we did ship to Japan as well though I dont recall what
    product just very large pallet boxes, couldn't be ilfochrome could it ? more
    likely HP5 FP4 and paper.
    Derek
     
    Derek, Dec 15, 2008
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