Ilford 120 Pan F

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by ATIPPETT, Sep 22, 2004.

  1. ATIPPETT

    ATIPPETT Guest

    I am switching from Tri-X to Pan F.

    My early results are really sharp also really contrasty.

    I am shoting 120 Pan F at ISO 50.
    Developed in D76 1:1 for 10:30 minutes.

    I have not tried ISO of 25 yet but I would like to first deal with the
    contrast.

    I welcome suggestions, and or comments.
    Thanks for any input.
    Alan Tippett
     
    ATIPPETT, Sep 22, 2004
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    John Guest

    Decrease your time about 2 minutes. Try 8 minutes at 70F.
    EI50.

    Also note that this should be Pan-F+ and not the original
    Pan-F, right ?


    Regards,

    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org
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    John, Sep 22, 2004
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  3. WAY TOO LONG. Try 6-7 minutes.
     
    Uranium Committee, Sep 23, 2004
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  4. Contrast is a matter of development time. Ilford's
    developing chart times are for contrast intermediate between
    diffusion and contact printing, that is, the will be about
    half a paper grade off for either, not a big deal. Changing
    development time by about 30% will change negative contrast
    by about one paper grade. It will also change speed by about
    3/4 stop.
    I am not sure if you are indicating that you have tried
    times from 10 minutes to 30 minutes or if you are developing
    for 10-1/2 minutes. If the latter try going down to about 7
    minutes and shoot at EI-25.
    Be careful of temperature. While B&W is not as critical
    as color the temperature should be within about 1 degree F
    of the chart temperature for predictable results. Agitation
    method also affects contrast. Generally time/temperature
    charts specify the agitation used to generate them. Ilford
    roll film charts usually specify 10 seconds of agitation
    every minute for small tanks while Kodak charts specify 5
    seconds every 10 seconds. The difference between these is
    not large but is significant enough to take into account if
    you are not getting the results you expect.
     
    Richard Knoppow, Sep 23, 2004
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  5. I'm afraid you're a tad late, mate...

    This month's "Réponses Photo" features an interview with the marketing
    director of Ilford France. He claims that film and photographic paper
    production will continue, although with a reduced product range.

    He explicitly states that the following film products will be axed:

    - all sheet film (!!)
    - Pan F
    - SFX 200

    Production of the other film types is said to continue. This includes
    120 roll film.

    On the paper side, we'll have to do without Ilfobrom Gallery, the
    Cooltone and Portfolio versions of Multigrade, as well as some grades of
    Ilfospeed.

    Ralf
     
    Ralf R. Radermacher, Sep 23, 2004
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  6. Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me given Ilford's financial woes.
    Of course, since I use none of the discontinued items, it's not my ox
    being gored. Tell me they're cancelling Delta 400 or HP5+ or Multigrade
    Warmtone and I'll scream along with everyone else.
     
    LR Kalajainen, Sep 23, 2004
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  7. No sheet film is plenty bad, but this is hear say
    and from Ilford France. Best thing is to just wait and watch
    and buy the stuff you want while its still available.
     
    Gregory Blank, Sep 23, 2004
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  8. Where can I read that? Doesn't matter if it's in French or German...
     
    Michael A. Covington, Sep 23, 2004
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    The Wogster Guest


    I think it comes down to what sells, and what sits in inventory, the
    key for any manufacturer, especially of time sensitive goods, is to
    bring in raw materials as needed, then get the stuff out the door as
    quickly as they can. You don't want to keep inventory on this
    stuff, you have money invested in the raw materials, and you need
    somewhere to store it, and you need to throw it away, if it expires.

    The other issue, some of these products are sacred cows, if they want
    investors to take them seriously, they need to be sending some of
    those sacred cows to the slaughter house..... Expect before they are
    done, maybe fewer chemical choices as well....

    W
     
    The Wogster, Sep 24, 2004
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  10. ATIPPETT

    John Guest

    You might consider reading :


    http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/ILFOPRO/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6140

    for a little more clarification (or not). As noted :

    "The exact language about film is:

    " Côté films, FP4+ et HP5+, et la gamme Delta (100, 400 et 3200)
    seront toujours fabriqués, en 135 et 120. Par contre, les plans-films
    disparaîtront très probablement du catalogue." "

    I wouldn't be surprised if they 86 the products listed.
    Unfortunately the demand is simply too small to be profitable.
    Diminishing returns and all that.

    Regards,

    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org
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    John, Sep 24, 2004
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    Mike Schuler Guest

    Does anyone have a suggested replacement for Pan F+, particularly one in 120 format?
     
    Mike Schuler, Sep 24, 2004
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    John Guest

    I'd have to consider the Efke 25.


    Regards,

    John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org
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    John, Sep 24, 2004
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  13. Awfully contrasty and if you want to scan the stuff with something like
    an Epson 4780 you'll need the 12 volume edition of the Oxford Dictionary
    to weigh the lid down.

    Ralf
     
    Ralf R. Radermacher, Sep 24, 2004
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  14. This would seem to mean the demise of Freestyle's Arista
    sheet film, which is Ilford film. I wonder what they will
    replace it with since Agfa is making only a limited variety
    of sheet films and Kodak does not make custom products. I
    don't have much trust in either the technology or quality
    control of the manufacturers in the former Eastern zone.
    Ilford seems to have awakened from a nightmare only to
    find its true. Kodak seems to be the only one tryign to hang
    on to the film business at all.
     
    Richard Knoppow, Sep 24, 2004
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    Nick Zentena Guest


    Kodak last year annnouned they intended to make no-name film. I guess they
    meant store brand 35mm but once you start down the road I don't see why they
    wouldn't make store brand sheet film.

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, Sep 24, 2004
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    jjs Guest

    *Efke 25 is not unusually contrasty. In fact, I'd say highlights are more
    printable than TMax. I was amazed by the tonal range of the first shots I
    did at near high-noon. In fact, I will have to come up with some interesting
    N+ development for the nominal N scenes.

    When I scanned a negative on the Epson 3200 (not a great scanner), I could
    get detail in Zone VIII, no problem.

    (Efke 25 4x5, Rodinal 1:100, 16minutes 70F, moderate agitation)
     
    jjs, Sep 24, 2004
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  17. I see why not. We are not talking about small mom&pop specialty
    photography shops. Will WalMart start stocking house brand sheet film?
     
    Jean-David Beyer, Sep 24, 2004
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    Nick Zentena Guest


    What does it take to make house brand sheet film? Change the outer box.
    Anything else? If mom and pa are willing to buy enough to fill the special
    order requirement then all Kodak has to do is use different boxes. Does
    Freestyle order enough film every year for that?

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, Sep 24, 2004
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    Dan Quinn Guest

    More like a lack of trained staff. That, and compounded by the
    Greener Pasture drain on personnel.
    If we can afford to send abroad $50 for a barrel of oil, a 500%
    increase over 7 or 8 years ago, then Ilford should be asking $4.25
    for a roll of FP4+. That's less than a 100% increase.
    Why charge so little for film then so much for paper? Is'nt
    Galerie close to a $1 a sheet 8x10? Dan
     
    Dan Quinn, Sep 24, 2004
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  20. In this month's issue of French magazine Réponses Photo. I usually buy
    it in Verviers, Belgium. No idea where this might be available outside
    of the French-speaking parts of this world. No online version either,
    I'm afraid.

    Ralf
     
    Ralf R. Radermacher, Sep 24, 2004
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