Ilford developers

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Frank Pittel, Oct 16, 2003.

  1. Frank Pittel

    Frank Pittel Guest

    I've been looking into giving delta-100 a try as a hedge against Kodak
    discontinuing film manufacture. I'm ready to start film testing before actual
    use and have a a bottle of ilfotec dd-x and a bottle of ilfosol s. I've been
    looking at the web site and the times given for delta-100 and the developers
    seem a lot shorter then I would like. Has anyone tried using the developers
    at higher dilutions? If so what dilutions do you use and what development
    time do you use?

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    Frank Pittel, Oct 16, 2003
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    Mark A Guest

    The fact sheet I saw for Delta 100 lists Ilfosol S at 1:14 dilution for 10
    minutes @ 20C. Is that long enough for you?
     
    Mark A, Oct 16, 2003
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    Frank Pittel Guest

    : : > I've been looking into giving delta-100 a try as a hedge against Kodak
    : > discontinuing film manufacture. I'm ready to start film testing before
    : actual
    : > use and have a a bottle of ilfotec dd-x and a bottle of ilfosol s. I've
    : been
    : > looking at the web site and the times given for delta-100 and the
    : developers
    : > seem a lot shorter then I would like. Has anyone tried using the
    : developers
    : > at higher dilutions? If so what dilutions do you use and what development
    : > time do you use?
    : >
    : The fact sheet I saw for Delta 100 lists Ilfosol S at 1:14 dilution for 10
    : minutes @ 20C. Is that long enough for you?

    I saw that but the data sheet went on to mention that there is a loss in quality
    when used with the higher dilution. Is this correct? I'm also interested in using
    dd-x with at a higher dilution.

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    Frank Pittel, Oct 16, 2003
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  4. You must have been swallowing the rumors. I predict Kodak will be making
    film longer than Ilford.
     
    Michael A. Covington, Oct 16, 2003
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  5. Frank Pittel

    Mark A Guest

    I don't really know. I like XTOL 1:2 with Delta 100. Incredible speed
    (between 125-160). I personally like Ilford films better than Kodak, but I
    don't think Kodak will stop making their films because they need the revenue
    to fund their entry into digital.

    I have heard of people diluting DD-X at higher dilutions, but I don't recall
    the details. One problem is that DD-X doesn't keep too long, so the
    concentrate may be wasted if you don't use it up in a short amount of time
    (at lower dilutions). You might try searching google groups archive.
     
    Mark A, Oct 16, 2003
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  6. Frank Pittel

    Mark A Guest

    I don't think that Kodak will be making silver based B&W film longer than
    Ilford. The films may be around, and they may be called Kodak, but
    eventually they might sell the brand and production assets to someone else.

    Ilford has less overhead than Kodak and can sell their products cheaper.
    Personally, I like most Ilford films better, regardless of price.
     
    Mark A, Oct 16, 2003
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  7. They never said they were going to stop anything except R&D. Silver based
    photgraphy is a mature market, it does not need much R&D to sustain it.

    But I'm an "old fart", if I could get my hands on it, I'd use EFKE KB25
    and develop in EDWAL FG-7, the same combinations I've used since the late
    1960's. (Then it was called Adox-KB14).

    I do use modern films, and digital, but each has it's place.

    My problem is that since the disapearance of Edwal products here in Israel,
    I would have to have them shipped from the U.S. FG-7 cannot be shipped by
    air, so getting one bottle by having someone bring it in their luggage is
    out.

    Geoff.
     
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Oct 16, 2003
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  8. Frank Pittel

    Frank Pittel Guest

    : : > I've been looking into giving delta-100 a try as a hedge against Kodak
    : > discontinuing film manufacture.

    : You must have been swallowing the rumors. I predict Kodak will be making
    : film longer than Ilford.

    I don't know that I swallowed any rumors. I did however see the press report
    from Kodak describing the direction that they plan to go in. I do agree that
    Kodak is committed to film for at least the medium term and that they will be
    making film for as long as it is profitable to do so.

    I'm just hedging on the chance that the rumors are true. I don't see myself moving
    away from Tmax anytime soon.


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    Frank Pittel, Oct 16, 2003
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    jjs Guest

    Check into Agfa APX 100 and Rodinal 1:50
    Development times at 68F are as long as 17 minutes.

    You _got_ to get into Rodinal.
    Higher dilutions do not mean inferior results.
     
    jjs, Oct 16, 2003
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  10. Get Anchell and Troop's book and mix your own at 10% of the retail price...
    Denny
     
    Dennis O'Connor, Oct 16, 2003
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    Jorge Omar Guest

    Jorge Omar, Oct 16, 2003
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    Sherman Guest

    Sadly APX 100 is discontinued in 4x5. I have two boxes left and know I
    could purchase a ton more and put it in the freezer but I don't like to
    store film for long periods of time. I'll be switching to something else
    for the things I used to use APX 100 for. Perhaps Ilford FP4 + (or the even
    cheaper Arista branded version).

    Sherman
    http://www.dunnamphoto.com
     
    Sherman, Oct 16, 2003
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    John Hicks Guest

    DDX works fine at a 1:9 or so dilution; use about 1.4x the 1:4 time
    as a starting point. As with most diluted developers, it gives
    slightly higher acutance and slightly more graininess.
    Ilfosol-S also works at the higher dilution but there's a strong
    shoulder/compression which I think may indicate lack of developer
    capacity rather than simply a developer-induced difference in curve
    shape.
     
    John Hicks, Oct 16, 2003
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  14. DD-X is essentially the same as Microphen in liquid
    concentrate form. Diluting the working solution 1:1 should
    work as a one-shot. Times will be about 1.4X those for the
    undiluted developer.
    I don't think Kodak is going to discontinue film
    manufacture anytime soon.
     
    Richard Knoppow, Oct 20, 2003
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  15. Frank Pittel

    Frank Pittel Guest

    : message : > I've been looking into giving delta-100 a try as a hedge
    : against Kodak
    : > discontinuing film manufacture. I'm ready to start film
    : testing before actual
    : > use and have a a bottle of ilfotec dd-x and a bottle of
    : ilfosol s. I've been
    : > looking at the web site and the times given for delta-100
    : and the developers
    : > seem a lot shorter then I would like. Has anyone tried
    : using the developers
    : > at higher dilutions? If so what dilutions do you use and
    : what development
    : > time do you use?
    : >
    : > --

    : DD-X is essentially the same as Microphen in liquid
    : concentrate form. Diluting the working solution 1:1 should
    : work as a one-shot. Times will be about 1.4X those for the
    : undiluted developer.

    That's good to know. I heard good things about Microphen but decided
    against using it. I don't like dealing with powders. :) I just got
    bottle of the DD-X and had gotten the infosol-S a week or so ago. I'll
    be running film speed and development tests this week.

    : I don't think Kodak is going to discontinue film
    : manufacture anytime soon.

    I hope you're right about Kodak. I'm just hedging my bets.


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    Frank Pittel, Oct 21, 2003
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