Ilford XP2 in E6 Chemistry

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Graham Fountain, Apr 11, 2005.

  1. As an experiment I shot a roll of Ilford XP2 Super, and cross processed it
    in E6 slide chemistry, to get B&W slides. I shot the roll at EI200.
    At 200, they look underexposed - quite dark and muddy. I'd estimate under by
    about 1 stop, so if I try this again I'll shoot at 100 (In retrospect, I
    should have bracketed or shot part of the roll at 200, part at 100 and part
    at 50, slap).
    The slides also look quite low in contrast. This could be because of being
    underexposed, although it could also be a characteristic of the fact that
    they are designed to be shot at 400 and C41 processed. I suspect shooting at
    100 or 50 will lower contrast even more, so perhaps I should be shooting at
    200 or 400, and giving them a 1 or 2 stop push in the first development.
    Since the aim is black & white slides, the higher contrast gained by push
    processing would probably look more attractive. I also considered the
    possibility of using regular B&W chem for the first developer instead of E6
    chem, this would require considerable experimentation for times.
    Finally, the dyes ilford use aren't black, so what I actually have are
    bluish-green tinted images.
    Conclusion - it was an interesting experiment, but at $10 for a roll of 24 a
    rather expensive one - more expensive than regular slide film, and far more
    expensive than regular B&W - I don't think I'll bother again, I'll stick to
    colour slides and B&W negs.
     
    Graham Fountain, Apr 11, 2005
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    Nick Zentena Guest


    If you want B&W slides why not just use B&W silver film and process for
    slides?

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, Apr 11, 2005
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    Rod Smith Guest

    Interesting experiment.
    $10 for 24 exposures?! If you're in the US, you can get it A LOT cheaper
    than that. B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com) has 24-exposure rolls of XP2
    for $2.99, or 36-exposure rolls for $3.49. Of course, you'll pay shipping
    unless you happen to be local to them and want to go get it in person, but
    if you're ordering several rolls and/or other stuff in addition to film,
    shipping shouldn't be unreasonable.
     
    Rod Smith, Apr 12, 2005
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    thigmo Guest

    Yes, I've tried this too, but perhaps with more success than what
    you've
    described. I rated the film normally (at 400) and when developed
    in E6,
    the film did have that blue-green tint, and rather dark too. It's
    NOT
    underexposed though, not in a traditional sense. What I then did
    was ask
    the lab to print them as colour negs (not positives), and you get
    some
    cool looking shots (albeit in negative format), at least on a Fuji
    Frontier. The resulting prints have high contrast, yet still good
    highlight detail (since that would be the "shadow" area of the
    positive,
    printed as negative) and look almost pink-metallic in some shots.
    In
    others with lots of texture, the resulting textures look almost as
    if the
    dye had bled a little into surrounding detail, looking as if you
    could use
    3D glasses to properly see the image (with both pink and blue-
    green hues).

    You might want to experiment a little more before you trash the
    cool shots
    you might have. Good luck.

    thigmo
     
    thigmo, Apr 12, 2005
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  5. Nope - Australia. If I was shooting a lot of it, I'd probably import from
    b&h, but for once off's, that's the price to pay :-(
     
    Graham Fountain, Apr 12, 2005
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  6. I know agfa make a film specifically for B&W slides, and kodak have a
    reversal kit for regular films. trouble is, I haven't been able to find a
    source for them here in oz. that's why I experimented with cross-processing
    the XP2
     
    Graham Fountain, Apr 12, 2005
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    Sander Vesik Guest

    Have you looked at what shooting and processing of Agfa Scala would
    cost wherever you are? Because that would giev you B&W slides without
    teh blue/green problems.
     
    Sander Vesik, Apr 12, 2005
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    s crinks Guest

    There's also dr5. www.dr5.com

    They take international orders I think.

    Simon.
     
    s crinks, Apr 12, 2005
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    Nick Zentena Guest


    You can mix your own reversal chemicals. Check the Ilford website for
    thier formulas. Or various sites on the web. For example this one.

    http://www.raycochemicals.f9.co.uk/B&W Developers.htm#Slide Developers.

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, Apr 12, 2005
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    Sander Vesik Guest

    Provided Oz is still australia, look here - http://www.iconcom.com.au
     
    Sander Vesik, Apr 12, 2005
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  11. The exchange rate for US/AU is ~.76, and so it is $7.60 a roll
    down under. Not that far off the American spot market.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Apr 12, 2005
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    John Guest

    Gee and I didn't think the American dollar was worth anything !

    JD - www.puresilver.org
     
    John, Apr 12, 2005
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  13. Scala is a beautiful film.
     
    Michael Weinstein, Apr 13, 2005
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    filmdevelop

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    I just did a roll of XP2 in E6 and really enjoyed how it came out.
     
    filmdevelop, Feb 26, 2015
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    ThePhotoGuy

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    Wow, that looks great!
     
    ThePhotoGuy, Mar 12, 2015
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