I'm still looking for a good video analog capture card

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Brian, Feb 14, 2004.

  1. Brian

    Brian Guest

    I recently brought the Leadtek DV2000 capture card.
    I'm finding that a recording made from this card using analog input
    result in a faded picture, rather than rich colours. There are
    adjustments for brightness, contrast, intensity, and tint but it's
    difficult to get a good recording. I also noticed that frames are
    being dropped even when recording at a bit rate of 4000 Kbps.
    I'm saving to a 7200rpm hard drive.
    If I can't find a way of getting a good recording when using analog
    input I will return it.

    I'm considering the Pinnacle PCTV Pro or the Canopus ADVC-50.
    It's a pity the more uses of video capture cards don't give some
    feedback about these cards as I can't keep trying different cards to
    find out what they are like.

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Feb 14, 2004
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    ñKs Guest

    WinTV PVR
     
    ñKs, Feb 14, 2004
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    sanpablo Guest

    I have the Canopus ADVC-100 and am very happy with it.
    I use Windows Movie Maker to capture. TMPGEnc Plus to encode
    and TMPGEnc DVD Author or ULead to burn disc.
     
    sanpablo, Feb 14, 2004
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    R Benner Guest

    Feedback? Canopus ADVC-100 is excellent.
     
    R Benner, Feb 14, 2004
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  5. I think that the Leadtek and the Pinnacle cards both use the same
    Bt878 chipset as my Hauppauge (spelling?) WinTV PCI card. I would
    expect to get similar performance from any Bt878 based card.

    Most PCI cards seem to use a Philips tuner module and Brooktree
    Bt8x8 chip. A few use the Philips SAA7134. This kind of hardware
    is capable of capturing PAL or NTSC video and sound in real time.

    A lot of the differences between one brand and another seem to
    be due to the quality of the bundled software.

    I can capture from TV 768x576 PAL 25 fps and encode video
    to MPEG-4 (Ffmpeg) at 5000 Kb/S or higher and sound to MP3
    at 256 Kb/S or even higher without dropping any frames. CPU
    usage is around 58%. Using the high quality deinterlacing
    filter increases CPU usage to 72%. My CPU is an Athlon XP-2100
    slightly overclocked to 1854MHz. Capture software is Transcode.
    OS is Linux.

    For my daily recording of The Simpsons, I capture at 768x576.
    Later I rescale to 512x384, denoise with the yuvdenoise filter,
    deinterlace and then re-encode at V:863 Kb/S A:96 Kb/s using
    two pass encoding with Ffmpeg or sometimes the XviD codec. This
    is a very CPU intensive process. My Athlon can only manage about
    9 fps when using the yuvdenoise filter. This allows me to fit
    4 episodes of The Simpsons a a CD-R. The quality is reasonably
    good. It certainly beats the crap out of VHS videotape.

    I don't think you will get better results by swapping one
    Bt8x8 for another unless the new one comes with better drivers
    and software.

    </end rant>

    E.S.
     
    Eamon Skelton, Feb 14, 2004
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  6. Brian

    Ken Maltby Guest


    Love the Philips SAA 7xxx series A/D chips.

    A great card for the price is the Adaptec VideOh! PCI
    AVC-2000 (not the current production AVC-2010) it
    uses the Philips SAA7114H coupled with a Broadcom
    BCM7040 MPEG Encoder ( The same encoder Tvio uses
    in their Series 2 ). Just be sure to download Movie Mill to
    use as your capture program. The software that comes with
    the card is a joke.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Feb 14, 2004
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    Bill Never Guest

    It's a pity the more uses of video capture cards don't give some

    Software compatability!
    I found that the Pinnacle DC10-plus card would only work with the
    Studio 8 software. As for WinTV PVR 250 It to would only works with
    the software it came bundled with being Ulead Movie Factory, I could
    not get it to work with other applications or even Ulead DVD Workshop?
    I also tried the Adaptec Videoh card which would only work with Sonic
    MyDVD?

    I don't know if this is the trend but it would be nice to have a card
    that works with varous video capture/DVD authoring applications.

    By the way I tried the following cards with differnet applications on
    Windows XP Pro:
    Adobe Premiere
    Adobe Encore
    MS MovieMaker 2
    Pinnacle Studio 8
    Sonic MyDVD
    Ulead DVD Workshop
    Ulead Movie Factory
    Vegas Video
     
    Bill Never, Feb 14, 2004
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    ñKs Guest

    Uh wrong......

    Uh wrong......I use it wirh DVD Workshop and Video Studio...
     
    ñKs, Feb 14, 2004
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    babykakes Guest

    ADVC-100 is reliable (if you got a reliable firewire card). But, watch
    out for colorspace conversion problems on DV captured AVIs. Even
    Canopus's own codec makes blacks look grey (that is because Japan has
    different black levels). There's a big fuss about DV codecs and
    colorspace conversion problems in the doom9.org forums (also contains
    pictures and compares different DV codecs).

    Also, I've noticed that everyone's default Microsoft DV codec creates
    decompression blocks in editting apps. It's not very noticeable until
    small blurry blocks appears in some letters (like the beginning text
    in a music video). Under no circumstances should you use the MS DV
    codec to decompress your video our it will damage it.

    What you need to find is the Sony DV Codec (use your favorite P2P
    app). It has minimal colorspace conversion problems (none that I
    notice) and none of the text blocking that occurs with the Microsoft
    DV codec.

    Repeat, there is a huge difference in DV codecs, if you care about
    colorspace, recompression, and compatibility. I recommend Sony DV
    codec to minimize these problems.
     
    babykakes, Feb 14, 2004
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    Rick Guest

    Do you have a filename or unique partial filename to search on?
    P2P is a very big place.

    Thanks.
     
    Rick, Feb 14, 2004
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    DeepOne Guest

    The ADVC-100 has an NTSC Setup Level switch which toggles between 0
    IRE (Japan) and 7.5 IRE (USA). The default setting is 0 IRE, so
    you'll want to move the switch if you're not using it in Japan. If
    you don't switch it, I think it will cause what you're describing.
     
    DeepOne, Feb 14, 2004
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    Brian Guest

    I hope this applies to PAL as my country uses PAL.

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Feb 14, 2004
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  13. Brian

    Brian Guest

    What brand and model capture card are you using?
    Is it a Leaktek or some other brand?

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Feb 14, 2004
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    R Benner Guest

    Yes, ADVC-100 does NTSC and PAL.

     
    R Benner, Feb 15, 2004
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  15. Hauppauge WinTV PCI.

    E.S.
     
    Eamon Skelton, Feb 15, 2004
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    luminos Guest

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    Brian Guest

    Thanks Luminos,
    it's a nise card but is out of my
    price range.

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Feb 15, 2004
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  18. : Love the Philips SAA 7xxx series A/D chips.


    I agree. They are much more superier to BT878 chip based cards. Especially
    if you're PAL user the difference in quality is bigger between Philips and
    BT chip based cards.

    I use LifeView FlyVideo 3000FM with the program Fly2000. The card is $72
    (shipping included) and the software is $25.

    --Leonid
     
    Leonid Makarovsky, Feb 15, 2004
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    Peter Friend Guest

    Canopus ADVC 100 brought back my sanity.............

    Peter
     
    Peter Friend, Feb 15, 2004
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    R Benner Guest

    Nice way of putting it. I have one too. Flawless capture. Mind you, this
    still leaves lots of room for frustration, what we do with the files after
    capture leaves much room for hair loss and sleeplessness.
     
    R Benner, Feb 15, 2004
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