info lithium battery prob

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by roy davidson, May 9, 2005.

  1. roy davidson

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    If you are correct I wouldn't bet a penny that Morgan will offer (any
    form of) an apology, I might be tempted to bet on the fact that he
    won't, but I doubt any bookie will accept the bet...
     
    :::Jerry::::, Aug 17, 2005
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  2. roy davidson

    Peter Guest

    Yes, this is becoming more common today. With the price of these
    batteries, it's easy to put in pretty good technology.

    One thing though... (from the above URL) "Ok, genuine Sony batteries
    ARE high quality "

    which is (historically, anyway) utter bo**ocks. SONY have had massive,
    widespread problems with their Infolithium batteries (in the DSCP1
    days), covered them up for as long as they could, owned up to them
    eventually (but only after most owners of affected cameras had binned
    them and moved on).

    I will never buy anything from Sony now, after that and other
    experiences. Years ago, Sony was #1. They had the best R&D, best QA -
    nothing came close. Then they started making stuff in China, using the
    big subcontractors. Now, most stuff from Sony, sub-£1000, ranges from
    "junk" to "suspect". Their very top stuff is still very good; perhaps
    because it's still made by Sony :)

    Just bought a Pentax DL. Takes AA, rechargeable AA, or various other
    "camera" batteries. That's the way to go.
     
    Peter, Aug 17, 2005
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  3. roy davidson

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Naturally I can't dispute what some of the good folk there say, but it
    is interesting that some people have had no problems, and also the
    complaints all seem to refer to the FX1.

    All I can say is that I've used clone batteries for more than three
    years with no problems whatsoever. Several of the people I know with
    Sony camcorders also use clones with no problems.

    It does occur to me, however, that some clones are suitable for some
    Sony models but not suitable for other Sony models - though they are
    pin-compatible (see below for type-compatibility).

    I had the opportunity to buy a Sony DCR-HC85 but I noticed that the
    batteries, both Sony and clone (though pin-compatible) are not
    compatible with my Sony DCR-TRV30 (which I have had for more than three
    years). I've got a collection of batteries for that camcorder (TRV30)
    including clones. So when the opportunity to buy a virtually unused Sony
    DCR-TRV80E which uses the same type as the TRV30 I went ahead and all
    batteries (including clones) work well.

    It also seems to me that the outfits who sell clones would soon go out
    of business if the problem exists as stated, and most of the firms
    selling on Ebay have been doing so for at least a couple of years.

    The thought also occurs to me that since the various series (NP FP, NP
    FC, NP FM and NP F) are all pin-compatible, they won't work properly if
    not for the particular camcorder - and perhaps that is where the
    reported problems lie.
     
    Tony Morgan, Aug 17, 2005
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  4. roy davidson

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <43033e64$>, Steve Franklin
    I can only speak as I find. I've been using clones for more than three
    years. And others I know use clones without any problems whatsoever. And
    I'd wager that there are a lot of people here who use clones without any
    problems.

    You wouldn't want me to lie would you?
    OTOH perhaps you would...

    And since you've been here for a good while, you should recall that a
    number of people complaining here of sudden and unexpected battery
    failure say that they are having their problem with genuine Sony
    batteries.

    And I'd also emphasise that I'm responsible enough to not recommend
    anything if I thought it was dodgy.
     
    Tony Morgan, Aug 17, 2005
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  5. roy davidson

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Yes and it's from your limited experience too...
     
    :::Jerry::::, Aug 17, 2005
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  6. roy davidson

    Peter Guest

    Not necessarily. I have found that many/most Ebay vendors have no
    phone number or address, and don't reply to support emails. One pays a
    low price, often taking a chance (with the US and HK vendors that are
    common on Ebay now) on UK Customs not sticking an inport duty/VAT
    charge on it, and if it doesn't work you bin it. With a foreign
    vendor, any warranty that's offered is worthless anyway. I know this
    from experience.

    There is negative feedback of course but if a problem develops after
    one has typed in the feedback then it will never show up. I also know
    from my own sales that some people never bother to enter feedback on
    stuff they've bought.

    Technically, the technology for challenge/response battery checking
    has not been around for more than a year or two, at a reasonable cost.

    In the end, if one buys Sony (to get a nicer looking, more compact,
    better spec product) one has to be prepared to pay the price
    elsewhere, and few people are as good as Sony when it comes to
    screwing consumers on accessories :)
     
    Peter, Aug 18, 2005
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  7. You totally missed the point as usual Tony.


    This guy comes on with a very reasonable question asked in a very reasonable
    manner.

    You tell him that his theories are nonsense, summarily dismissing them. You
    then question whether he is a design engineer, or infer that if he IS in
    fact a design engineer, he's not a very good one. (certainly not as a good a
    design engineer as you Tony)

    Even in the face of the evidence you, then try to blow it off as a marketing
    ploy. And infer that the rest of us are idiots for believing the information
    of the "marketing droids"

    And now that you are wrong you do your usual double speak.

    Although that you are mostly like correct about the clone batteries you are
    talking about it working with your TRV30 that is at least 4-6 years old.
    Technology has moved on from then, the fact that Sony have done it doesn't
    surprise me. I am surprised though that it would be legal for them to do
    such a thing, sounds pretty anti-competitive to me.


    It's the same pattern over and over and over again.

    1.Question
    2. Reasonable Morgan answer.
    3. Question that questions Morgan's answer
    4. Morgan riled that someone would question his knowledge engages in usual
    pissing match

    At your age, I think it's deplorable that you do not to have the character
    to apologise when you are wrong.
     
    Steve Franklin, Aug 18, 2005
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  8. roy davidson

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    That is the problem, at his age, Mr Morgan seems to think that he
    knows it all and thus has nothing to apologise about...
     
    :::Jerry::::, Aug 18, 2005
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  9. roy davidson

    Deep Reset Guest

    Yup, pretty good summary.
    The only bit he missed out were the "cognitive powers of a lobotomised
    woodlouse" and the kill file.
    Personally, I think his standards are slipping.
    I don't think he's got *any* character.

    Deep.
     
    Deep Reset, Aug 18, 2005
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