Interesting new Canon comments.

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Skip, Feb 11, 2007.

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    Skip Guest

    Skip, Feb 11, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    Wow.
    I think a high-frame-rate 5D sensor...housed in a 1V body...would be just
    about perfect. One of the things I wish the 5D had was higher frame-rate.
    If Canon can muster 12.8MP at 8.5fps (or some such number), then I'll be
    setting my sights on that camera at some point. I'm convinced 12.8 MP is
    about as good a use use of the full frame sensor size in terms of
    noise/pixel-size. The pairing of a 5D body and wide angle...together with a
    same-sensor 1D/1V fps with tele would make for a powerful combo.
     
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    Charles Guest


    10 February 2007

    http://www.imx.nl/
     
    Charles, Feb 11, 2007
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  5. : From a respected source, if not always spot on...
    : http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c031.html

    Thanks for the link. Can I imply from this article that there will never be
    a full-frame, digital SLR from Canon in the <$2000 category? I keep hoping
    (and holdout out for) such a beast but me thinks it's never going to pass.
    :-(

    TLG
     
    The Lone Gunman, Feb 11, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    Never say "never."
    :)

    --
    Rudy Giuliani began seeking
    the GOP presidential nomination
    on Tuesday. He's pro-choice,
    pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control
    and he did a skit in drag that
    is on the Internet. If Osama
    bin Laden hadn't attacked him
    Pat Robertson would have.
     
    Bill Funk, Feb 11, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Guy is an idiot. Why not make it 2.35:1, like really wide screen
    movies, and waste even more lens real estate?
    TV has nothing to do with it, 4:3 tvs are going away in the U.S. and
    have been in Europe for nearly a decade. The fact remains that most
    printed photo reproductions are closer to 4:3 than to 3:2.

    "It was and it is my view that the 35mm format and the matched optics
    to create classical viewing angles and classical depth of field
    gradients, in addition to the artistic aspects of using the 2:3 format
    that has to be mastered before you can compose interesting pictures.

    Olympus went for the easy way with the 4:3 format, that is much easier
    to use and conforms to the ubiquitous TV screen format that is a
    constant visual companion on today's culture."
     
    RichA, Feb 11, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Sure they'll be. All they have to do is.....put it in a plastic body
    and supply the 18-55mm kit lens!
     
    RichA, Feb 11, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    Actually, there nearly is RIGHT NOW.
    Costco sells the 5D+ the 28-135 IS lens for $2599 after rebate. If you
    subtract the normal price of the lens, it means you're paying +/- $2100 for
    the full-frame 5D. That's darn close to your desire already. It will only
    improve.

    Mark²
     
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Don't tempt me. That is so borderline close to getting me to jump...

    In Canada, it's $3,300 (body only) [ US$2800 at current rates]. Costco
    Canada don't carry anything more ambitious than the DigRebXT.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 11, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    This is via Costco.com. Perhaps you should check there.
    They only sell the Rebel in-store here, too.
     
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I realize that, but to get the Canon rebate you need to have a US address...

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 11, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    Do you know someone in the US who could help you buy it?
    If not, I could do that...
     
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I've got a cousin near Boston to help with that... and other friends. I
    bought a meter at B&H and had it sent to corporate office near a trade
    show in one instance...

    But thanks! IAC, I did say borderline! (Also I just bought the Nikon
    9000 ED and my next major purchase will be either a lens for the
    Hasselblad or a 10/12 Mpix body from Sony).

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 11, 2007
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    Tony Polson Guest


    The comments on Erwin Puts' web site are as interesting for what they
    don't predict as for what they do.

    Canon has more new DSLR models up its sleeve than these two.
     
    Tony Polson, Feb 11, 2007
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    Lionel Guest

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    Pete D Guest

    It's called " Doing a Douglas", now you see me now you don't.
     
    Pete D, Feb 12, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    More likely, it's called, "Canon told him he was violating the gag order."
     
    Mark², Feb 12, 2007
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    Lionel Guest

    That's my guess too, seeing as the marketeers tease us this way every
    year, around this time.
    Did anyone think to save a copy of the page? I stupidly forgot to do
    so before closing the browser (for an unrelated reason).
     
    Lionel, Feb 12, 2007
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    frederick Guest

    removing stuff doesn't work.
    It's cached on google at:
    http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache...e/comments/c031.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz

    Alternately, the texts here below:


    Canon high end strategy goes for 35mm format
    New Canon high-end cameras announced: D1 and D1S models with 35mm format
    sensor area.

    In my original article about the Canon 5D I reflected on the technical
    and more philosophical aspects of the barnack -format for digital
    cameras. I noted that the 5D was a milestone camera because of
    feasibility of a large sensor at an affordable price. It was and it is
    my view that the 35mm format and the matched optics to create classical
    viewing angles and classical depth of field gradients, in addition to
    the artistic aspects of using the 2:3 format that has to be mastered
    before you can compose interesting pictures.

    Olympus went for the easy way with the 4:3 format, that is much easier
    to use and conforms to the ubiquitous TV screen format that is a
    constant visual companion on today's culture.

    In the current issue of AP, Geoffrey Crawley looks at the aspects of
    image quality tht is attainable with the full format (35mm) and the
    APS-C format that is roughly equivalent to half frame, and retains the
    2:3 relation. He concludes that image wise there is a draw: both sensor
    areas deliver the same imagery. He compares two systems that have about
    the same pixel size and then it is not surprising that theoretically and
    with test charts the same image quality is possible. But there is much
    more to analyse here. In my comparison of the M8 with the 5D, the Canon
    gave somewhat better resolution despite having a larger pixel size. It
    is the software stupid! You can hear Bill Clinton shouting. And my
    Siemens star results indicated that the MTF values in the region from
    30% to 10% of the Nyquist maximum are critical for effective image quality.

    Presumably the debate will go on for a while and that is fine. We simply
    do not know that much about digital capture and digital processing as we
    know about chemical processing the silver halide grain. Here we have an
    history of 100 years of cumulative experience, but in the digital arena
    our knowledge spans hardly a decade. And myths are already all over the
    place!

    You can like or hate Canon, but one theme is obvious: here we have a
    company that has a very steady course and a very clearly defined goal
    for the next ten years. Some cameras that were introduced over the last
    thirty years might draw negative comments and did not become world
    beaters. There main fault in retrospect has been to focus too long on
    the amateur market and leaving Nikon alone in the professional pond. But
    since the EOS body emerged around 1985, the company exhibits a singular
    drive.

    The new D1 packs the sensor of the 5D in a really robust body, the
    film-loading 1V (end to that era?). The capture speed is very high and
    there is that mysterious comment that the 1D has no memory buffer,
    presumably wring directly to the flash card. The new 1Ds shares the same
    body and brings the pixel count to 22 million on a 24x36mm area. The
    most intriguing remark is Canons statement that from now on there will
    be no more 1.3 crop sensors. The strategy then is clear: the amateur
    market will be served by APS-C with 1.5/1.6 crop factor and a new range
    of lenses. The professional high-end market will be exclusively served
    by full-format sensors allowing all Canon lenses to operate at the true
    computed focal length and viewing angle. Canon seems to be quite
    confident that the problems with the 35mm format can be addressed and
    overcome. There is now also an ISO 6400 value available. The new cameras
    will be formidable instruments, the 1D attacking the professional market
    for mobile photography and the 1Ds (with 22 M pixels) attacking the
    medium format stationary (studio) photography. There is a risk here:
    many professional reportage photographers do not want nor need that huge
    amount of pixels. Is Nikon smarter in this respect and listening more
    closely to the market?

    Nikon continues to state that they will not embark on that route and
    stay faithful to the APS format derivatives. For how long we may ask?

    The 1D will retail for 4500 dollars and will be cheaper than the Leica
    M8. This is not a clash of civilisations, but a minor clash of belief.
    The M8 couples a mechanical film-loading body to a solid state sensor
    and retains as much of the classical values as can be done within the
    technological constraints.

    The 1D couples a fully electronic film-loading body to a full 35mm
    format solid state sensor and skips as much of the classical values as
    can be accomplished within operational constraints. There is no doubt in
    what direction the mainstream buyer will move. Canon is shaping the
    market and the others are more or less responding to market trends as
    they are perceived by the gurus.

    Leica has been troubled over the last decade by a most erratic decision
    making process by a series of CEO's and this decision making is
    reflected in the current stable of products. One really hopes that there
    will be now a steady developing strategy with a clearly defined future
    vision for the product range to be developed.

    The Canon strategy is very consistent and very profitable. Their choice
    for the classical 35mm format for the high-end camera system is somewhat
    surprising, given the fact that they are alone in this choice, but then
    the market power of Canon is quite strong.

    Now the competition must react.
     
    frederick, Feb 13, 2007
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