Is Apple doomed, the way IBM ended up in the PC market?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    RichA, Dec 12, 2012
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  2. Per RichA:
    Had a doctor's appointment yesterday - where I discovered that
    both the doctor and one of his assistants were about to trade
    their iPhones for Samsung Note II's.

    Neither one impresses me as being very technweenieish.

    I'm looking forward to hearing how happy/unhappy they are with
    Android vs IOS.

    Seems to me like, without Jobs, Apple is in danger of becoming
    dominated by marketing and accounting people.
    (PeteCresswell), Dec 12, 2012
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    Lsst year I was looking for a smartphone for my wife. I wouldn't have
    minded buying an iphone for her, but they were so ridicolously
    Alfred Molon, Dec 12, 2012
  4. RichA

    Guest Guest


    iphones are the same price as any other comparable android smartphone
    or even windows phone. the iphone 5 is $200, which is the same price as
    a galaxy s3. the iphone 4 is *free* with contract.

    plus, the real price of a cellphone is not the price of the device, but
    the monthly contract you're locked into for 2 years. an extra $100 one
    way or the other for the phone itself is negligible in the grand scheme
    of things. that's a month or two of cell service, depending on the
    Guest, Dec 12, 2012

  5. Apple sells multiple times more tablets than it sells laptop and
    desktop computers. Apple sells even more iPhones than tablets
    We have seen Apple move away from being a creative person's digital
    assistant towards providing entertainment systems for the masses.

    In laptop and desktop computers, Apple had an advantage that other
    manufacturers didn't: its operating system. Now Windows does most of
    not all of the things that made Apple's OS distinctly different.

    In phones, Google smartphones are now outselling the iPhone by more
    than three to one. Samsung alone is selling more smartphones than

    In tablets, Google's Android 4.0 OS is sweeping the market. Only
    Apple's last ditch court cases against Samsung and others are delaying
    Samsung's dominance of the tablet market.

    I had a difficult decision to stay with Apple for my laptop. In the
    end, it was the high resolution Retina display that convinced me. Had
    that not been available, I would probably have chosen a Windows laptop
    at around half the price. I had already replaced my Mac Pro with a
    high end Windows machine.

    I believe Apple's overall operating profits are currently around 44%.
    That is ridiculously high for the technology sectors Apple operates
    in. The margin cannot possibly stay that high.
    Anthony Polson, Dec 12, 2012
  6. Per Alfred Molon:
    My Sam sung Note was close to $600: $520 for the device, $55 for
    a sixty-gig SD card, plus a few bucks here-and-there for a cover,
    screen protector, a few wires, and so-forth.
    (PeteCresswell), Dec 12, 2012
  7. Per Anthony Polson:
    I used tb a total MacIntosh chauvinist. Even wrote a little
    sales/inventory control application for my 7" Mac Plus to support
    a backyard windsurfing equipment business.

    That was a loooooong time ago.

    Since then I've been making a living writing MS Office
    applications that run under Window.

    A few years ago, somebody graduated from design school and just
    *had* to have a Mac. I bought her the biggest-baddest Mac I
    could find.

    Had about two weeks to fool around with it before graduation day.

    My take was that Windows and Mac OS's (from the user's
    perspective & plug/play) were about the same.

    I'd even go so far as to say I prefer Windows XP over whatever
    was running on that Mac. For one thing, there are multiple ways
    to resize a window under XP. With the Mac I was restricted to
    just one way.

    When somebody asks me which they should get, I tell them to count
    up the people they know well enough to ask for computer help and
    choose the system that the most of those people have.
    (PeteCresswell), Dec 12, 2012
  8. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    My "Step-daughter from Hell" just got a $0 8GB Verizon iPhone 4,
    unlimited voice, unlimited text, 2GB $80/month data plan.

    She is a low data(for now), high text user who previously had a
    $54/month limited voice and text plan.
    ....and she is absolutely happy with the new toy.
    Savageduck, Dec 12, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    My "Step-daughter from Hell" just got a $0 8GB Verizon iPhone 4,
    unlimited voice, unlimited text, 2GB $80/month data plan.[/QUOTE]

    $0 is free.

    so much for being ridiculously expensive.
    Guest, Dec 12, 2012
  10. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    $0 is free.

    so much for being ridiculously expensive.[/QUOTE]

    That tells you nothing about the cost.

    It just tells you someone else paid for it.
    Eric Stevens, Dec 12, 2012
  11. RichA

    Rob Guest

    Why are you adding into the price free phones on contract.

    Its not bullshit at all. Just your way of justifying a contract.

    Who wants a contract I certainly don't.
    Rob, Dec 12, 2012
  12. RichA

    Guest Guest

    it doesn't matter who paid for it, the fact is that iphones are not
    more expensive than android or other similar smartphones.

    and actually, *she* did pay for the phone, it's just that the actual
    price is part of the 2 year contract. if she cancels that contract
    before the 2 years, the remaining balance of the phone will be due,
    known as an early termination fee.

    the point is that iphones, android phones and windows phones all cost
    about the same for similar devices, and that the bulk of the cost is
    not the phone itself, but the 2 year contract.
    Guest, Dec 12, 2012
  13. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Not exactly.
    The 8GB iPhone 4, is a discontinued phone, basically a loss leader, and
    Verizon is offering it as a clearance item. She could well have
    selected the least expensive 16 GB iPhone 5 for a subsidized price of
    $199 with the same 2 year contract as she has with the free phone. If
    she just bought the iPhone 5, the full retail price would have been
    If she had gone for an iPhone 4S from Verizon the comparative costs
    would have bee $99.99+ 2 year plan vs. $549.99

    She would have needed a plan/contract/pay as you go, with some carrier,
    regardless of perceived or actual purchase price. So for her, the
    iPhone 4 was free when compared with the iPhone 5's $199.99 & the
    iPhone 4S's $99.99.
    Savageduck, Dec 12, 2012
  14. RichA

    Guest Guest

    that's how nearly all cellphones are sold.
    i'm not justifying anything. that's how the cellphone business works.
    most people buy cellphones with a contract.

    for those who don't, they'll pay the full price of the phone up front.
    Guest, Dec 12, 2012
  15. RichA

    Guest Guest

    actually, it's not discontinued. it's still being made. it's just an
    older model for those who don't want to spend $99 for a 4s or $199 for
    a 5.
    Guest, Dec 12, 2012
  16. RichA

    Rob Guest

    And that would cost her about $2000 over the contract period - cheap toy!

    How do you know if its cost effective when you are on a plan? (with
    unlimited voice and text).

    The way I read this, phone say $600 outright, which leaves $60/mth for
    usage. Does she use all this?
    Rob, Dec 12, 2012
  17. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    $1,920 actually.
    The full retail price of most smart phones, Android or iPhone runs
    between $360-$650.
    To use any of these Smart Phones as anything more than a paperweight
    you would have to find at minimum a prepaid/"pay-as-you-go" carrier.
    Verizon has a prepaid plans for Unlimited voice, text & Web (no other
    data) for $50. $80/month prepaid adds 2GB unrestricted data.
    So for her particular phone over 24 months a minimum of $1,200 + $360=
    $1,560 a savings of $360 for limited web data, basically an iPhone with
    crippled ability & a 100% markup.

    The 2GB unlimited data Prepaid $80/month brings that 24 months up to
    the same level same the contract plan + the $360 for her phone = $2,320.

    That makes the $80/month 2 year contract a no brainer and effectively
    gives her a free iPhone 4.
    In her case she is using more as she learns the functions. The text and
    iMessage ability of the iPhone, mapping, GPS, Email, Google, and a few
    other discovered functions are being used currently. Better the
    $80/month than the crippled $50/month and potential data overage
    Savageduck, Dec 12, 2012
  18. RichA

    Alfred Molon Guest

    I'm paying 20 Euro/month for a voice+data plan (and there are even
    cheaper plans available). Not even in my wildest dreams I would think of
    paying $80/month.
    Alfred Molon, Dec 12, 2012
  19. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    E20= $61.20 and you still have to buy the phone.
    Savageduck, Dec 13, 2012
  20. RichA

    Guest Guest

    E20= $61.20 and you still have to buy the phone.[/QUOTE]

    there are smartphone plans for less than that, *with* a free phone.
    Guest, Dec 13, 2012
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