Is Canon about to announce a 'second generation' 20D?

Discussion in 'Canon' started by 223rem, Nov 2, 2005.

  1. 223rem

    223rem Guest

    I very much want to buy a 20D, but I'd hate to buy it at $1200 and
    then have Canon announce an improved 20D (probably at around $1500,
    in response to the new Nikon) just before Christmas.

    What do you guys think? Thanks!
     
    223rem, Nov 2, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Look for it in February, not Dec. It could be anything from a 20Dn (same
    spec, larger LCD and something tweaked) to a 12mp 1.6x crop, 5fps, 60 frame
    buffer. Remember, Canon has introduced cameras at different levels with the
    same res, the 1D mkII hit with 8mp, followed by the 20D in short order with
    the same 8mp, but smaller sensor. Then the 350/RebelXT, also at 8mp, so
    it's not unreasonable to think the 20D successor might match the 5D for
    res...but, then, 10mp isn't out of the question, either.
     
    Skip M, Nov 2, 2005
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  3. Slightly OT, but how far away is a successor to the 1Ds Mk II likely to be
    (eg 20? 24? 32 MP version)?
     
    Cockpit Colin, Nov 2, 2005
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  4. Personally, I would be more interested in seeing a MkIII (MkIIn?) which
    was a little smaller and lighter, perhaps by using lithium batteries in
    place of the bulky old-tech cells used by the MkII. I certainly would
    not want to walk far with the MkII round my neck.

    David
     
    David Littlewood, Nov 2, 2005
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  5. 223rem

    SMS Guest

    I would expect the succesor to the 20D to be available at about the same
    time the Nikon D200 is available.

    Canon tends to make official announcements only a week or two prior to
    the product being in stores, while Nikon usually pre-announces because
    they are always playing catch-up with Canon.

    I doubt if the 20D would be discontinued, they'd probably shift
    everything down a couple of hundred dollars in street price.

    350D $700
    20D $1000
    25D $1500

    The other question is what the 25D might have in terms of improvements
    over the 20D. I'd guess spot metering, and a 10 megapixel sensor. But
    Canon has always been very concerned about high-ISO noise
    characteristics, rather than just playing the megapixel game like Nikon,
    and they aren't going to up the resolution if it destroys the low-noise
    performance.

    You're getting to the point where you need a larger sensor to keep the
    noise at an acceptable level. If they could build a 1.3 crop factor
    sensor camera that could use EF-s lenses then that would be an
    intermediate camera between the 20D and the 5D.

    I hope that the D200 has solved the noise issues that plagued the D70,
    but those pixels have to be very small on the new Sony sensor.
     
    SMS, Nov 2, 2005
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  6. 223rem

    Skip M Guest

    I'm betting on a 1Ds mkIIn, that is as much of an upgrade as the 1D mkIIn
    was, than that would be followed by the 1D/1Ds successor/consolidator, the
    one that eliminates the 1.3x crop and gives FF a high fps rate. Or combines
    the two, like theD2x. Just guessing.
     
    Skip M, Nov 2, 2005
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  7. $I doubt if the 20D would be discontinued, they'd probably shift
    $everything down a couple of hundred dollars in street price.

    I disagree. Other than the low-end cameras (the Rebel family, in
    this part of the world), Canon mostly discontinues the old body when
    its successor comes out.

    Anyway, I fully expect the 25D, or whatever it's called, to be
    introduced prior to PMA in February. Canon usually times major
    product announcements just prior to major shows, and that's the next
    major show. It's also about the right amount of time after the
    20D was introduced, given typical DSLR lifecycles.

    $The other question is what the 25D might have in terms of improvements
    $over the 20D. I'd guess spot metering, and a 10 megapixel sensor.

    Probably more pixels, probably not spot metering. Canon has been
    very consistent in not putting spot metering into advanced-amateur
    bodies, both on the film side and the digital side. They reserve
    spot metering for semi-pro (e.g. 5D, 3) and pro models.

    The bigger LCD, seen on the 5D and 1D Mark IIN, is a no-brainer.
    I'm guessing there will be a bigger buffer, too. It may have the
    extra AF helper sensors of the 5D. Oh, and picture styles will
    also make their way into the 25D.

    $You're getting to the point where you need a larger sensor to keep the
    $noise at an acceptable level. If they could build a 1.3 crop factor
    $sensor camera that could use EF-s lenses then that would be an
    $intermediate camera between the 20D and the 5D.

    I doubt they can; the image circle is designed to cover the
    1.6-crop sensor size and you'd probably get pretty serious vignetting.
    There's also the issue of how far the rear element of the lens extends
    into the body; a 1.3-crop body needs a bigger mirror and there may not
    be sufficient clearance.[/QUOTE]
     
    Stephen M. Dunn, Nov 2, 2005
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  8. Whatever camera you buy, about next month a better one will be out,
    and prices will have droppes anyway. So buy a good camera for
    a reasonable price once you need it. Not earlier. Not later.
    Get used to disappointment.

    And remember: no camera, no pictures, it's as easy as that.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Nov 3, 2005
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  9. 223rem

    Skip M Guest

    Canon execs have already hinted that the 1.3x crop has a limited life
    span...
     
    Skip M, Nov 3, 2005
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  10. $Canon execs have already hinted that the 1.3x crop has a limited life
    $span...

    More to the point, they've said they're planning on merging the
    1D and 1Ds families in the next generation. So at some point in the
    next couple of years, expect a body that can do the full-frame,
    high-res work of the 1Ds as well as the quick action work of the 1D.[/QUOTE]
     
    Stephen M. Dunn, Nov 3, 2005
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  11. 223rem

    Skip M Guest

    I'm figuring that if it isn't the next 1Ds, it'll be the one after that...
     
    Skip M, Nov 3, 2005
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  12. 223rem

    DD Guest

    Scharf, you are without doubt the dumbest sonofabitch to ever touch a
    keyboard.
     
    DD, Nov 4, 2005
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  13. 223rem

    SMS Guest

    Yes, I saw that too.

    I hope that Canon can come up with a 20D successor that is as good in
    terms of low noise at high ISO. Higher resolution at higher noise isn't
    worth it, IMVAIO. Look at the D70, and all the complaints about moire
    and noise. I'm sure that the D200 must have solved those issues, but
    Nikon only mentioned that the moire had been solved.
     
    SMS, Nov 5, 2005
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