Is Minolta 7D or Canon 20D Worth Buying?

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Paul, Oct 19, 2004.

  1. Paul

    Annika1980 Guest

    From: Alan Browne
    And of course the 20D is available.
    Props for that.
     
    Annika1980, Oct 20, 2004
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  2. If you shoot RAW, you can go from one to the other on the same frame!

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 20, 2004
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  3. Paul

    Alan Browne Guest

    I think you're missing the point which is that for most people T-film is more
    expensive to get for somewhat infrequent usage. It has become a fairly
    specialist film, and expensive. Not on the shelf at the store either unless I
    go donwtown.

    There is nothing wrong with a splash of warm ligting in an image, but if it is
    the the dominant source, the shot looks crappy on daylight film.

    OTOH, use of T films in daylight conditions can give an erie blue effect that is
    not neccesrilly bad, just electric.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 20, 2004
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  4. Paul

    Dirty Harry Guest

    hehe amen

     
    Dirty Harry, Oct 20, 2004
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  5. Paul

    GT40 Guest


    Just becuse its more expensive doesn't mean its wrong to use. I never
    bought film off the shelf, too expenive, and not fresh. I always mail
    ordered film.

    Tungsten film in daylight is what they use for a fake night time
    scene.
     
    GT40, Oct 20, 2004
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  6. Paul

    Skip M Guest

    I just may have shot my last roll of film. I was convinced that digital
    would never take the place of film for black and white work, but Saturday, I
    shot nearly 300 images with my 20D in "black and white" mode. I can't tell
    the difference between the best of them (when I finally got the "filtration"
    and contrast right) and the best studio shots I did with Ilford XP-2.
    The high resolution of the 20D had me convinced for color work, but I really
    didn't expect good results from it in black and white. But now, with a
    little tweaking on the procedure, I'm pretty impressed. The only place it
    seems to have fallen down is on extreme high key shots, but I may get that
    worked out, a couple of them were perfect, if I can just duplicate that
    every time.
    BTW, I can't put any of the images up that I shot, yet, I haven't gotten a
    model release from the girl. But probably by this weekend.
     
    Skip M, Oct 20, 2004
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  7. It took me a little while to get used to the quirks of digital compared
    to film, but I'll never go back either. I've spent too many evenings
    in the darkroom making color & B&W prints for customers. Enough!
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Oct 20, 2004
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  8. Paul

    Alan Guest

    Another 20D user here. However, I also shoot film at the moment, as an
    evening course in photography I'm doing is film only. I'm scanning my negs
    at 3200 dpi and the same shots side-by-side seem to have far more detail
    from the 20D. OK, I could scan the film at higher res, but then I'd have to
    pay for a company to do this with a drum scanner, but I'm not convinced
    there is any further detail there anyway. The 8MP 20D images are just
    better, and also no delay getting images from camera to computer with
    digital.
    I upgraded from the 300D to the 20D, and the speed difference is huge - this
    alone is well worth it for me. You may not think you'll need the extra speed
    of the 20D comared to the Minolta now, but a year down the road you'll
    really apprieciate it.

    Alan.
     
    Alan, Oct 20, 2004
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  9. (Skip M) wrote:
    I can't tell the difference between the best of them (when I finally
    got the "filtration" and contrast right) and the best studio shots I did
    with Ilford XP-2.
    ==============================

    What paper should the XP-2 be printed on?


    Cody,

    http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks
     
    AnOvercomer02, Oct 20, 2004
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  10. Paul

    prep Guest

    I have been using a D70 for the last week or so, and am very impressed with
    it. If I had the $$, I'd be trotting out and getting and EOS D rsn. If you
    have Nikon glass already, the D70 will be a good unit.

    (I normallly use EOS bodies)

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    prep, Oct 20, 2004
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  11. Paul

    Alan Browne Guest

    If the store has a fridge, it's fresh enough for 'pro' films.
    Consumer films usually are fine off the shelf.

    I've exposed expired films and the results were hardly distinguishable from
    fresh film. Perfectly fresh is really only required for critical color work,
    where roll to roll in the same project colors need to be consistent.
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 20, 2004
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  12. Paul

    Skip M Guest

    (Skip M) wrote:
    I can't tell the difference between the best of them (when I finally
    got the "filtration" and contrast right) and the best studio shots I did
    with Ilford XP-2.
    ==============================

    What paper should the XP-2 be printed on?


    Cody,

    http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks

    For gallery display, I use(d) Ilford Gallerie FB, usually matte finish,
    although the glossy has a very nice texture. For "proof" prints, just
    about anything will do. Overall, though, I prefer Ilford papers to anyone
    else's
     
    Skip M, Oct 20, 2004
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  13. Paul

    me Guest

    OT:
    No. But you can shoot 800 film then scan the negative or slide (superior to
    digital any day) and have the best of both worlds without buying a gimpy
    digital capture device. If you buy a digital capture device in a few years
    when it dies and is too expensive to fix you can take off the lens and throw
    the body away. Or you could buy a film camera that could last a lifetime!
     
    me, Oct 20, 2004
    #33
  14. Who cares?
    Don't kid yourself.
    Leicaflex SL2.
     
    Uranium Committee, Oct 20, 2004
    #34
  15. Paul

    Mike Kohary Guest

    I plan to make an identical upgrade next month, from the D-Reb to the 20D.
    How damned happy am I going to be once I do it? :)
     
    Mike Kohary, Oct 20, 2004
    #35
  16. Paul

    Mike Kohary Guest

    It's not the best of both worlds - it just illustrates the inconvenience of
    film compared to digital.
     
    Mike Kohary, Oct 20, 2004
    #36
  17. My experience is that scanned ISO 800 color film is far worse than 300D at
    ISO 800. It's not even close. The small-sensor consumer dcams are useless at
    ISO 800, but not the 300D and other dSLRs.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 21, 2004
    #37
  18. (Skip M) wrote:
    For gallery display, I use(d) Ilford Gallerie FB, usually matte finish,
    although the glossy has a very nice texture. For "proof" prints, just
    about anything will do. Overall, though, I prefer Ilford papers to
    anyone else's
    ===============================

    Thank you for your reply.


    Cody,

    http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks
     
    AnOvercomer02, Oct 21, 2004
    #38
  19. Paul

    Patrick L. Guest


    I agree, I just had some ISO 800 Portra scanned, and it was terrible.


    Patrick
     
    Patrick L., Oct 23, 2004
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  20. Paul

    Ian Burley Guest

    Some good points well put.

    I have had the fortune to use a pre-production sample 7D at a sporting event
    here in the UK and my report is here if you are interested:

    http://dpnow.com/1241.html

    Ian
     
    Ian Burley, Oct 24, 2004
    #40
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