Is Nikon lying about the N80?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Erik N. Duvick, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. The Nikon product catalog and the comparison chart on the Nikon website
    both say center-weight and spot metering will work with AI lenses on the
    N80. Everybody else I've talked to said they don't. Which is true?
     
    Erik N. Duvick, Jan 29, 2004
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  2. I think you may be reading the specs for AI-P lenses. The N80 does no
    metering at all with older AI or AI-S lenses unless they've been
    chipped.

    Can you provide a link to the offending page? I'm looking at:
    http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/35mm/f80_spec.pdf
     
    Michael Benveniste, Jan 29, 2004
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  3. Erik N. Duvick

    Vin Guest

    It only will Standard-TTL Flash Meter on AI, AI'D, AIS lenses. Good when
    I sTTL flash meter when I use my 200mm AI+50mm in reverse to get 4x Macros.
    The flash metering works fine when no ambient light metering is required.
     
    Vin, Jan 29, 2004
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  4. Erik N. Duvick

    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Spot metering will certainly work with AI lenses -- so long as you supply
    the spot meter. The camera meters will not work with them at all.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jan 29, 2004
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  5. Erik N. Duvick

    Paolo Pizzi Guest

    Yet another piece of Spadaro anti-Nikon terrorism.
    Now spot meter is useless because it doesn't work
    with 30-year old lenses...

    Some logic!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    Paolo Pizzi, Jan 29, 2004
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  6. Erik N. Duvick

    Magnus W Guest

    Spadaro is right and has a point though. If I was a Nikon user, which I am
    not (I am also not a Canon user) I would have bought into the system partly
    because of the older available manual focus lenses. That means that a N/F80
    would be a Bad Choice. Of course Canon would be an even worse choice, as
    you can't mount Canon lenses manufactured earlier than 1987 on an EOS. But
    the company leading the evolution is Canon, like it or not -- they have a
    powerful momentum now and are not likely to stop.

    The F80 is a nice camera in its own right, one of my photo buddies has two
    of them and I have played with them many times. I also think it is a nicer
    camera than the EOS7/30, as it has a spot meter and handles better (IMO).

    I would recommend you to kill file Tony (as I have, as I don't like his
    often rabid rants) and get on with your life.
     
    Magnus W, Jan 29, 2004
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  7. I'll quote Nikon:
    AI lenses provide manual focus w/electronic rangefinder, aperature
    priority and manual exposure mode, C/W and Spot Metering operation.
    http://www.nikonusa.com/comparison/Cameras/splash.html?defaultpage=slr.html

    Pick the N80 and look at Compare Details.
     
    Erik N. Duvick, Jan 29, 2004
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  8. Christoph Breitkopf, Jan 29, 2004
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  9. Erik N. Duvick

    leicaddict Guest

    Your best bet is to do what I did years ago, KILLFILE Tony Spadaro,
    not only will you never receive an intelligent answer from him, but it
    is also impossible to have an intelligent discussion with this poor
    embittered, petty man. Remember, Tony has published the names,
    addresses, and telephone numbers of several members of this newsgroup,
    he got from God knows where. He has also threatened people, so your
    best bet is just to act as if he doesn't exist, and have nothing to do
    with him.
     
    leicaddict, Jan 29, 2004
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  10. Aha! It's wrong there. It doesn't look like a lie so much as a cut
    and paste error -- the text is exactly the same as the F100 and the
    F5, for which the text is accurate.

    Isn't it comforting to know that Nikon's lens "compatibility matrix"
    is so complex that Nikon's own marketeers get it wrong?
     
    Michael Benveniste, Jan 29, 2004
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  11. Erik N. Duvick

    Matt Clara Guest

    Well, I'm a Nikon user, and I think the N80 is a piece of junk because it
    won't meter with my AI and AIS lenses--there's no reason for it other than
    planned obsolescence. My F100 works great with them. Considering the OP's
    question was in regards to using these lenses with the N80, Tony's spot on
    on the subject of the spot meter. In other words, it's your logic that's
    faulty, and not Mr. Spadaro's.

    I'd like to further say that Tony Spadaro has been a contributing member and
    positive influence to this group for _years_, so I'd tone down the rhetoric,
    if I were you, as we don't know who the hell you are, and I, for one, am
    starting to find you more than a little annoying.

    Yes, Tony often overstates his case against Nikon, but let's not forget that
    Tony used Nikon for years (an F2) and had lots of problems with it. He also
    used Pentax for years. If he's devout to Canon, it's because he feels Canon
    has earned his devotion.

    Regards,
    Matt Clara
     
    Matt Clara, Jan 29, 2004
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  12. Erik N. Duvick

    Matt Clara Guest

    He's never threatened a person, and that was you who posted those addresses.
     
    Matt Clara, Jan 29, 2004
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  13. Erik N. Duvick

    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Glenn old gobshite, how did you get out of the killfile again?
    Do you deny that the N80 cannot meter with AI lenses. If you do you are
    as stupid as Pizza..... come to think of it, aren't you the Leica addict who
    actually owns a cheap Cosina knock-off od Leica -- something we mostly refer
    to as a Lie-Ka. Since you are a pure troll and never have used any of this
    equiopment, I guess it would be too much to expect you would know what NIkon
    lenses work on what bodies - but I'll give you a clue --- none of yours.
    Back to the killfile, little grasshopper -- you are too prolific an ass to
    leave out of the repository of the lost.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jan 29, 2004
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  14. Erik N. Duvick

    Tony Spadaro Guest

    And Pentax would be my number Two choice. I kid the Nikon crowd but Pizza
    takes it personally. THis started out a few months ago when he was
    constantly pointing out that Canon was screwing its customers by bringing
    out new models and obsoleting the current models while Nikon left models out
    until they obsoleted themselves. I pointed out that by this logic I sould be
    really mad at Subaru for coming out with a new model just months after I
    bought mine. Pissi didn't like the aplication of logic to his hobby horse,
    and has concluded that I am the Anti-Christ. I don't mind as his arguements
    (when I see them) look awfully stupid. I'm thinking of removing him from the
    killfile as he makes great comedy relief. He's the Gabby Hayes of the
    newsgroup.
    By George I'll do it -- what the hell one dum troll is better than the
    recently re-appeared Glen - a viscious nasty little man of the lowest order.
    Tell Polo he's back -- or don't bother - I'll tell him.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jan 29, 2004
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  15. Erik N. Duvick

    Paolo Pizzi Guest

    Nobody denies that Spadaro, but it's totally IRRELEVANT
    because few people would want to use 30-year-old lenses
    on a brand new autofocus camera. And if you like "all
    manual", then chances are that you'd trust a good light
    meter better than whatever the camera provides.
     
    Paolo Pizzi, Jan 29, 2004
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  16. Erik N. Duvick

    Paolo Pizzi Guest

    Why did you get it in the first place? The N80 is an AMATEUR
    camera. The vast majority of amateurs don't feel the need to
    use 30-year-old lenses on an autfocus camera. Want to use
    your AI-AIS, get a used F3. Great camera.
    Cool, mine too.
    You know what, it's called "Barracks syndrome."
    I don't know who the hell you are, but that's no reason
    for disrespect. And as for being annoying, evidently you
    are using a double standard with the "newbie" (yours
    truly), as Spadaro's hypocrisy does not seem to annoy
    you much. He pesters everyone with usenet rules and he
    violate them every day by insulting and slandering people
    and by pitching his website where he tries to get his stuff
    published. Have you ever seen how he reacts when someone
    else pitches his/her commercial website? Double standard
    again?
     
    Paolo Pizzi, Jan 29, 2004
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  17. Erik N. Duvick

    Paolo Pizzi Guest

    I don't take it personally, you are an idiot with zero
    credibility. But some people are gullible and when you
    spread bold faced lies about Nikon (every day) someone
    might even believe you.
    First LIE. I did it ONCE.
    Which is pretty much FACTUAL.
    Second LIE, never said anything like that.
    That speaks volumes about your lack of class and of what
    kind of an antagonistic asshole you are.
    You and logic makes the mother of all oxymorons.
    You are not the anti-Christ, I would actually like the
    real thing, if he existed. You are just a pompous ass
    who pontificates about stuff he doesn't know. And
    you are the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen on usenet
    because you preach respect for usenet rules that you
    break on a daily basis by insulting and slandering people
    and by pitching your website where you pathetically
    attempt to get your stuff published.
    I was never in your killfile, you are a proven liar and hypocrite.
    You just want to insult me in a more direct way and prove to
    the world what a big hypocrite you are when you preach respect
    for usenet rules.
     
    Paolo Pizzi, Jan 29, 2004
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  18. Erik N. Duvick

    Nikkorguy Guest

    Why did you get it in the first place? The N80 is an AMATEUR

    Most people buying an N80 don't have a pile of AI-AIS lenses lying around, so
    for the most part it isn't a big issue. But for novices who aren't familiar
    with Nikon the famed backwards compatability is at the very least a little
    misleading.

    Frank
     
    Nikkorguy, Jan 29, 2004
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  19. Erik N. Duvick

    Matt Clara Guest

    It's not a double standard, because Tony's been around and earned our
    respect. You've just showed up out of the blue with this annoying crusade.
    We've all for the most part learned to tune out what we don't like about
    eachother. You we don't even know, so can't tell where to start.
     
    Matt Clara, Jan 29, 2004
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  20. Erik N. Duvick

    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Then again he still blathers on interminably. Maybe he should go back into
    the killfile -- too dull and dumb for any fun. It's better whe I see his
    crap excerpted.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jan 29, 2004
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