Is the Canon 10D on its way out?

Have lurked in this NG over the last three weeks trying to make a decision
between a D100 and a 10D as an upgrade from my Minolta Dimage 7. I have
waffled back and forth based on the comments I read, but overall this NG and
the reviews I have found have been very helpful.

Yesterday I went out for a final "hands on" look before making my decision
and found that Canon 10D's had dried up. 4 camera shops none and did not
know when they would get any. Best Buy had a demo but no stock and when the
clerk checked it appeared from their computers that they weren't going to
carry it anymore. BTW they can't sell demo's until they go on clearance.

The reason I ask if the 10D is on its way out is that 2 of the camera shop
folks speculated, I repeat, speculated (no hard facts) that Canon would be
announcing a "20D" or something like that in the near future.

I was also told that Canon had reduced the production of the 10D by 75% in
order to produce a greater volume of the digital Rebel model and that may
have created the backlog.

I have found nothing, so far, on the Net that would substantiate either of
these speculations.

I am not a troll, I don't want to start any flames here but if there is a
new model on the immediate horizon I would prefer to wait and evaluate the
new product before making a decision. If these speculations are not true
then I guess the 10D is just a very popular camera. I have also read many
threads on the D100 versus the 10D so I am not trying to start another of
those conversations either.

BTW I am in a large metropolitan area not in a small town. I am sure
somewhere in L.A. there is a 10D, I just haven't found one.

Any information that can be verified would be appreciated.

 

Last time I saw canoga camera's web site claimed they had a limited
supply of 10Ds

I have found their prices to be very competitive on most products, and
although it was a long drive from where I live in Orange County it was
well worth the effort.

www.canogacamera.com

No I don't work there ... Just thought I would pass on my experience
because I was impressed with their knowledge and assistance.

steve

 

This is very likely, that Canon will announce and maybe show a prototype of
the 10D's successor, maybe with an advanced 8 or 10 MP sensor.

That's certainly necessary to fulfill the high demand on the Digital Rebel.

Canon, Minolta etc. will keep such information strictly company confidential

Of course you are not and it will be worth waiting anyway by february. If
Canon introduce a successor (which then will not be available before autumn
2004), this will reduce the price of the 10D dramatically. So you have the
decision to buy a extremly good 10D for a good price, or to wait to death
until you are able to buy the successor, for a quite high introductory
price.

 

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I left for a couple hours and am impressed by the good responses I have
received already. Thanks!

Since you were willing to answer my question can I impose to ask one more?

For general purpose scenery, people etc. (not action) shots, like the ones
that I would take, lets say, on a vacation, what would you recommend as an
initial lens? I want to stay with the camera brand for now and I want good
glass. I will build up my collection over time as I get better with the
camera and based on what I seem to need and be missing for my type use.

In the camera shops it has been suggested that I get:

For the Canon, a EF 28-135 mm F/3.5-5.6 IS lens

For the Nikon, a 24-85 mm F/3.5-4.5 ED-IF-AF-S lens

Once again any comments would be appreciated.

 

I wouldn't buy a demo at BB anyway, you don't know what they've done to it.

Yes, the 10D will be replaced. Someday. It may be this year, maybe not.
Beyond that, all you'll get is speculation and unsubstantiated rumors. PMA
is in February so you don't have to wait too long.

Mark

 

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I want to thank you all again for your input and advice. Found Samy's in LA
still had the 10D and the D100 and I went and looked at both side by side
one more time. I will let you know the outcome coupled probably with
requests for more advice. I find your input valuable as I am still a major
amateur at all this.

 

Isn't it obvious from all the rumors that nobody here knows what the 10D
replacement (if it's even this year) might be? Canon also has a 1.3x crop
sensor dSLR , the 1D (not to mention the 8 grand full frame 1Ds) but I'm
betting that's the one being replaced.

Mark

 

Hi,

Depends on the sensor technology. If they can make an 8 MP CMOS sensor with
equal or better s/n ratio than the current generation of CMOS sensors, then
perhaps they will go that way. Until then they have no reason to - the
sensor they have now is king of the hill anyway.

More pixels generally means more noise unless you enlarge the sensor.
Considering the next-to-nothing difference there is between 6 and 8 MP it
would be a very poor trade indeed.

Sony blew it with their new 828 because they *had* to have 8 MP to satisfy
the marketing guys. The 828 would have been a killer camera at 6 MP.

/Michael

 

I was also told that Canon had reduced the production of the 10D by 75% in

My Drebel is made in Taiwan, my daughter's 10D is made in Japan, so
production "lines" are quite far apart. Could it be they ran out of parts
to make 10Ds? In mass production you have to plan way ahead so when things
start selling too well you are in trouble because the plans were made for
fewer units.

Jean

 

Just my 2 cents. I like the 10D but have a shelf loaded with an F4S,
8008S and a bunch of Nikon Lenses. So, for now my choice would be the
D100, BUT, as I have a reasonably good digital (E20N) and a Pro 35 I
think I'm going to take a wait-and-see stance. Much as I hate to
wait.

"I think" we are at a point were things are changing rapidly in the
DSLR arena. OTOH if they do change rapidly newer models of whatever
brand will be replaced within a short time. So "I think" picking what
a person likes, if it doesn everything they want reasonably well, who
cares if it gets replaced in another year or two. If the camera still
works and meets its requirements there is no reason to upgrade.

You spend $20,000 to $30,000 (sometimes much more) for a car now days
and it's replaced with a new model every year. It's value probably
drops 20% when you drive it home. So, all in all I'm going to wait
and see what is announced next month and then make my purchase.Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

 

I think the reason why so many stores have low or no stock of the 10D is
that people are buying them at such a huge rate that supply is barely
able to meet demand. I just got a 10D and I had to wait a month before I
found it in stock at the store I ended up buying it from. I was told by
that same store that they had none in stock and don't know when they'll
have it in stock again. Then a couple weeks later they got a few hundred
(or a few thousand) and presumably sold them all over about a week's
time (including one to me ) and now they're out of stock again. Other
places have had similar patterns. Store employees likely tell the
customer that they don't know when they'll get any more 10Ds and/or that
Canon has slowed down or stopped production of the cameras because they
want to sell them something else instead of having them go somewhere else.

Even if a new model is introduced in February I'm glad I got my 10D just
last week. There's no way the new model will cost what I got my 10D for
(a little over $1400 for a brand new Canon USA camera) right off the bat
anyway. In the few months others are waiting for the price of the
alleged 10D replacement to come down to what the 10D costs now, I will
have taken literally thousands of pictures.

Have fun waiting. I will be having fun taking pictures.

 

Even tougher: They produce what they think they can sell
in a projected product life cycle in one single run and
then sell that. They calculated too short for the D30
and then again too short for the D60, possibly also too
short for the 10D. That is, *if* the 10D is indeed out
of production by now, which is likely to be the case.

For example, the T-90 had been built for only 3 months
and was then sold for several years. That means all T-90
were built before a single one of them was sold on the
market.

Yep. Probably understimated the success of the 10D. Again.

And it is also very likely that all of those new cameras
have already been produced. Canon is very good in flooding
all sales channels instantly to meet the demand, when a new
product emerges.

 

Assuming you have, or will have a 10D or Digital Rebel, 28-135 IS is superb.

Steve