Is the Canon 10D on its way out?

Discussion in 'Canon' started by fmaas, Jan 11, 2004.

  1. fmaas

    fmaas Guest

    Have lurked in this NG over the last three weeks trying to make a decision
    between a D100 and a 10D as an upgrade from my Minolta Dimage 7. I have
    waffled back and forth based on the comments I read, but overall this NG and
    the reviews I have found have been very helpful.

    Yesterday I went out for a final "hands on" look before making my decision
    and found that Canon 10D's had dried up. 4 camera shops none and did not
    know when they would get any. Best Buy had a demo but no stock and when the
    clerk checked it appeared from their computers that they weren't going to
    carry it anymore. BTW they can't sell demo's until they go on clearance.

    The reason I ask if the 10D is on its way out is that 2 of the camera shop
    folks speculated, I repeat, speculated (no hard facts) that Canon would be
    announcing a "20D" or something like that in the near future.

    I was also told that Canon had reduced the production of the 10D by 75% in
    order to produce a greater volume of the digital Rebel model and that may
    have created the backlog.

    I have found nothing, so far, on the Net that would substantiate either of
    these speculations.

    I am not a troll, I don't want to start any flames here but if there is a
    new model on the immediate horizon I would prefer to wait and evaluate the
    new product before making a decision. If these speculations are not true
    then I guess the 10D is just a very popular camera. I have also read many
    threads on the D100 versus the 10D so I am not trying to start another of
    those conversations either.

    BTW I am in a large metropolitan area not in a small town. I am sure
    somewhere in L.A. there is a 10D, I just haven't found one.

    Any information that can be verified would be appreciated.
     
    fmaas, Jan 11, 2004
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    steve Guest

    Last time I saw canoga camera's web site claimed they had a limited
    supply of 10Ds

    I have found their prices to be very competitive on most products, and
    although it was a long drive from where I live in Orange County it was
    well worth the effort.

    www.canogacamera.com

    No I don't work there ... Just thought I would pass on my experience
    because I was impressed with their knowledge and assistance.

    steve
     
    steve, Jan 11, 2004
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  3. This is very likely, that Canon will announce and maybe show a prototype of
    the 10D's successor, maybe with an advanced 8 or 10 MP sensor.
    That's certainly necessary to fulfill the high demand on the Digital Rebel.
    Canon, Minolta etc. will keep such information strictly company confidential
    :)
    Of course you are not and it will be worth waiting anyway by february. If
    Canon introduce a successor (which then will not be available before autumn
    2004), this will reduce the price of the 10D dramatically. So you have the
    decision to buy a extremly good 10D for a good price, or to wait to death
    until you are able to buy the successor, for a quite high introductory
    price.
     
    Thorsten Winter, Jan 11, 2004
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  4. fmaas

    fmaas Guest

    <snip>

    I left for a couple hours and am impressed by the good responses I have
    received already. Thanks!

    Since you were willing to answer my question can I impose to ask one more?

    For general purpose scenery, people etc. (not action) shots, like the ones
    that I would take, lets say, on a vacation, what would you recommend as an
    initial lens? I want to stay with the camera brand for now and I want good
    glass. I will build up my collection over time as I get better with the
    camera and based on what I seem to need and be missing for my type use.

    In the camera shops it has been suggested that I get:

    For the Canon, a EF 28-135 mm F/3.5-5.6 IS lens

    For the Nikon, a 24-85 mm F/3.5-4.5 ED-IF-AF-S lens

    Once again any comments would be appreciated.
     
    fmaas, Jan 11, 2004
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    Mark B. Guest

    I wouldn't buy a demo at BB anyway, you don't know what they've done to it.
    Yes, the 10D will be replaced. Someday. It may be this year, maybe not.
    Beyond that, all you'll get is speculation and unsubstantiated rumors. PMA
    is in February so you don't have to wait too long.

    Mark
     
    Mark B., Jan 11, 2004
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  6. fmaas

    fmaas Guest

    <SNIP>

    I want to thank you all again for your input and advice. Found Samy's in LA
    still had the 10D and the D100 and I went and looked at both side by side
    one more time. I will let you know the outcome coupled probably with
    requests for more advice. I find your input valuable as I am still a major
    amateur at all this.
     
    fmaas, Jan 12, 2004
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  7. fmaas

    Mark B. Guest

    Isn't it obvious from all the rumors that nobody here knows what the 10D
    replacement (if it's even this year) might be? Canon also has a 1.3x crop
    sensor dSLR , the 1D (not to mention the 8 grand full frame 1Ds) but I'm
    betting that's the one being replaced.

    Mark
     
    Mark B., Jan 12, 2004
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    Michael Guest

    Hi,
    Depends on the sensor technology. If they can make an 8 MP CMOS sensor with
    equal or better s/n ratio than the current generation of CMOS sensors, then
    perhaps they will go that way. Until then they have no reason to - the
    sensor they have now is king of the hill anyway.
    More pixels generally means more noise unless you enlarge the sensor.
    Considering the next-to-nothing difference there is between 6 and 8 MP it
    would be a very poor trade indeed.

    Sony blew it with their new 828 because they *had* to have 8 MP to satisfy
    the marketing guys. The 828 would have been a killer camera at 6 MP.

    /Michael
     
    Michael, Jan 12, 2004
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    jean Guest

    I was also told that Canon had reduced the production of the 10D by 75% in
    My Drebel is made in Taiwan, my daughter's 10D is made in Japan, so
    production "lines" are quite far apart. Could it be they ran out of parts
    to make 10Ds? In mass production you have to plan way ahead so when things
    start selling too well you are in trouble because the plans were made for
    fewer units.

    Jean
     
    jean, Jan 12, 2004
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  10. Just my 2 cents. I like the 10D but have a shelf loaded with an F4S,
    8008S and a bunch of Nikon Lenses. So, for now my choice would be the
    D100, BUT, as I have a reasonably good digital (E20N) and a Pro 35 I
    think I'm going to take a wait-and-see stance. Much as I hate to
    wait.

    "I think" we are at a point were things are changing rapidly in the
    DSLR arena. OTOH if they do change rapidly newer models of whatever
    brand will be replaced within a short time. So "I think" picking what
    a person likes, if it doesn everything they want reasonably well, who
    cares if it gets replaced in another year or two. If the camera still
    works and meets its requirements there is no reason to upgrade.

    You spend $20,000 to $30,000 (sometimes much more) for a car now days
    and it's replaced with a new model every year. It's value probably
    drops 20% when you drive it home. So, all in all I'm going to wait
    and see what is announced next month and then make my purchase.Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    www.rogerhalstead.com
     
    Roger Halstead, Jan 12, 2004
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    cc Guest

    I think the reason why so many stores have low or no stock of the 10D is
    that people are buying them at such a huge rate that supply is barely
    able to meet demand. I just got a 10D and I had to wait a month before I
    found it in stock at the store I ended up buying it from. I was told by
    that same store that they had none in stock and don't know when they'll
    have it in stock again. Then a couple weeks later they got a few hundred
    (or a few thousand) and presumably sold them all over about a week's
    time (including one to me :) ) and now they're out of stock again. Other
    places have had similar patterns. Store employees likely tell the
    customer that they don't know when they'll get any more 10Ds and/or that
    Canon has slowed down or stopped production of the cameras because they
    want to sell them something else instead of having them go somewhere else.

    Even if a new model is introduced in February I'm glad I got my 10D just
    last week. There's no way the new model will cost what I got my 10D for
    (a little over $1400 for a brand new Canon USA camera) right off the bat
    anyway. In the few months others are waiting for the price of the
    alleged 10D replacement to come down to what the 10D costs now, I will
    have taken literally thousands of pictures.

    Have fun waiting. I will be having fun taking pictures. :)
     
    cc, Jan 13, 2004
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  12. Even tougher: They produce what they think they can sell
    in a projected product life cycle in one single run and
    then sell that. They calculated too short for the D30
    and then again too short for the D60, possibly also too
    short for the 10D. That is, *if* the 10D is indeed out
    of production by now, which is likely to be the case.

    For example, the T-90 had been built for only 3 months
    and was then sold for several years. That means all T-90
    were built before a single one of them was sold on the
    market.
    Yep. Probably understimated the success of the 10D. Again.
    And it is also very likely that all of those new cameras
    have already been produced. Canon is very good in flooding
    all sales channels instantly to meet the demand, when a new
    product emerges.
     
    Michael Quack, Jan 15, 2004
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  13. fmaas

    Steve Dell Guest

    Assuming you have, or will have a 10D or Digital Rebel, 28-135 IS is superb.

    Steve
     
    Steve Dell, Jan 28, 2004
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