Is there ANY high end sound card that is compatible with the Matrox RT.X100 Xtreme Pro?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by alex_glaros, Jun 15, 2005.

  1. alex_glaros

    alex_glaros Guest

    Is there ANY high end sound card that is compatible with the Matrox
    RT.X100 Xtreme Pro?

    thanks,

    Alex Glaros
     
    alex_glaros, Jun 15, 2005
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    Alpha Guest

    There is very little compatible. Please specify what high end means to you.
     
    Alpha, Jun 15, 2005
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  3. alex_glaros

    Alpha Guest

    PS

    Since real high end cards have proprietary drivers, most interested in sound
    choose Canopus, whose cards have very high quality on board.
     
    Alpha, Jun 15, 2005
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  4. Though I am not sure what your idea of "high end sound card" means, there is
    a list readily available to anyone, found at the Matrox website in the
    System Recommendations section:
    http://www.matrox.com/video/support/rtx100xtremepro/rec/sound.cfm If the
    list does not hold any cards you would consider to be "high-end" please
    provide a more concise definition you would use for that term.

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    Digital Video Solutions, Jun 15, 2005
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  5. alex_glaros

    Alpha Guest


    As an expert in digital audio, I can assure that none of the matrox site
    cards are any where near high end.
     
    Alpha, Jun 15, 2005
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  6. As we both asked the OP, "what does he consider to be think 'high-end'"?
     
    Digital Video Solutions, Jun 15, 2005
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  7. alex_glaros

    alex_glaros Guest

    By high end sound cards, I mean the top ones in this list:

    http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm

    Lynx Studio Technology LynxTwo
    Aardvark Direct
    Event Darla
    Event Gina
    Event Layla
    DAL CardDeluxe Ex
    Lucid ADA1000/PCI24
    Lynx Studio Technology LynxONE
    Midiman Delta-66
    Midiman Delta-1010
    Midiman Delta-1010LT

    The Soundblaster cards are ranked lower on that web page.

    I'd like to have high enough sound quality to produce a commercial
    movie.

    In the alternative, is it possible to easily disable the Matrox card
    and use Premiere without it so that I can add quality audio to the
    Premiere audio tracks? Then I would like to enable the card to
    continue video editing. It seems that the Matrox breakout box might
    make this inconvenient.

    thanks,

    Alex Glaros
     
    alex_glaros, Jun 15, 2005
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  8. I have no knowledge of anyone using any of those particular cards. I can
    tell you this. The Matrox RT.X100 has its' own onboard sound system utilized
    with both video input and output. The sound from the RT.X100 is passed
    through the sound card by using the blue cable and the green cable at the
    end of the break-out box cable.

    Naturally these are blue/line-in and green/speaker out. Then the user
    attaches his speakers to the RT.X100 using the 1/8 inch speaker out on the
    card proper. This setup is included not because it is necessary to the
    operation of the RT.X100, but is there to allow the user to hear what they
    are doing in Premiere on their desktop speaker system rather than just an
    outboard monitor. Other than that a sound card is not even necessary outside
    of the need for audio creation/editing purposes in other programs, and with
    Smartsound Quicktracks for Premiere Pro with that software.

    Even though Matrox has some cards listed as being either compatible or
    incompatible respectively, there are a few from the past and present lists
    that give erroneous finding under certain circumstances. For instance, their
    list for RT.X100 incompatible sound cards includes the CMedia High
    Definition Audio (CMI9880) which is onboard the Asus P5AD2-Premium
    mainboard. My company built a system using the P5AD2-Premium mainboard and
    the RT.X100 card not long after it was added to the compatibility list. I
    forgot to mention this incompatibility to the person who actually built the
    system and installed the RT.X100. When he tested the system the sound was
    fine on the desktop speakers and with extended testing we could find no
    problems whatsoever.

    My advice to you would be to purchase the sound card you want. Follow the
    compatibility guide for the mainboard you have, and match the slot Matrox
    placed some other sound card in. That usually means the slot in question is
    not sharing with the RT.X100 card. Over the years we have followed this
    method by using mainboards tested by Matrox for installation of both Canopus
    and Pinnacle capture cards. All we did was match the slot for the capture
    card and sound card, etc. respectively and the systems worked just fine. I
    still have at least four of them sitting at other desks here in the office
    where I am now sitting.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    Digital Video Solutions, Jun 15, 2005
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  9. alex_glaros wrote...
    What is your proposed workflow that the "quality" of the
    computer sound card has anything to do with the "quality"
    of the edited sound track(s)?
     
    Richard Crowley, Jun 15, 2005
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  10. alex_glaros

    RS Guest

    Typically the sound card has no real effect on your sound during the
    editing process. It will effect what it will sound like while you do
    previews through your computer, but thats about it.

    If you are aiming at a commercial market film, would you not be doing
    your sound recording on external mikes and perhaps capturing it onto
    something high end like a DAT recorder or, feel free to chime in here
    folks, something like xxxx.

    If your going to do significant editing to the sound, perhaps you might
    want to have a seperate sound editing box and associated equipment set up?
     
    RS, Jun 15, 2005
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  11. alex_glaros

    alex_glaros Guest

    I'm a newbie in this field so I hope I'm understanding your question.
    I think you are saying that the audio going into my 1394 card from my
    camera (along with the video) never goes through the sound card and is
    not altered by the sound card at all, but instead gets directly copied
    from the camera. Then, when the sound tracks are output to a final
    form (DVD for example) they are still not affected by the sound card,
    but instead get directly copied to DVD.

    Howerver I'm a musician and will create my own music for my projects.
    So I must have the analog sound from my piano be converted to digital
    by a high quality sound card.

    Is the Soundblaster Audigy 4 good enough for such a purpose? Or can I
    turn the Matrox card on and off during a project conveniently enough to
    allow me to have my high end sound card work with Premiere sometimes
    and then switch back?

    Thanks,

    Alex Glaros
     
    alex_glaros, Jun 15, 2005
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  12. alex_glaros

    RS Guest

    (Places finger on nose) Exacatamundo!



    If you work in the digital music are often, they you probably know
    exactly what you need.



    I believe you still are thinking that your sound card and Premiere will
    be working together in any significant way. Once you have created your
    digital music soundtrack, you will be importing that file into Premiere.
    The heavy lifting from your sound card is all done during the phase
    where you, your piano and your sound card create the digital file. (I'm
    not a digital music guy, so I'm guessing either Midi or a Wav format?)
     
    RS, Jun 15, 2005
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  13. alex_glaros wrote ...
    Exactly so. The computer sound card plays NO part in the capture,
    editing and exporting digitial video. It only provides a way for you
    to hear the audio through your speakers while editing the video.
    That is a completely separate issue that actually has nothing to do
    with video.
    Nothing that Creative makes is considered even semi-professional
    in audio circles. They have some features (like internal resampling
    everything) that makes them particularly unpopular among people
    who value good audio.

    If you compare the lists from Arny and from Matrox, it looks to me
    like the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz is as good a sound card as Matrox
    lists as compatible ON THEIR LIST.

    HOWEVER, note that they say "make sure that your card is
    DirectSound-compatible..." Remember that the list shows only the
    few cards that they have tested. There are certainly more cards that
    are just as compatible. Look through Arny's list for cards that support
    DirectSound.
    I'd seriously consider using an external USB device for serious
    sound capture. My favorite is the M-Audio MobilePre USB
    Then you can still use your "regular" sound card that is compatible
    with the Matrox while editing video, etc.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jun 15, 2005
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  14. alex_glaros

    alex_glaros Guest

    The way I would add some of the analog audio, would be to play music or
    sound effects on my keyboard WHILE I'm watching the movie play so that
    I can time music and audio sound effects perfectly to the video. These
    would be .wav files written in real time on one of the Premiere audio
    tracks. Another example would be voice overs. I would watch the
    video output while recording my voice onto one of the Premiere audio
    tracks so that I can exactly synchronize the audio to the video.
    Don't my sound card and Premiere have to work together in these types
    of situations?

    Thanks,

    Alex Glaros
     
    alex_glaros, Jun 15, 2005
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    Richard Crowley, Jun 15, 2005
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  16. alex_glaros wrote ...
    Then you have painted yourself into a corner. By choosing to use
    the Matrox RT.X100, you have condemned yourself to using an
    audio-unfriendly video editing system. Do you have another
    computer that you can use for audio?
     
    Richard Crowley, Jun 15, 2005
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  17. alex_glaros

    RS Guest

    You could play your timeline back onto screen or external monitor, which
    perhaps would allow you to use sound card of your choice without
    interference to play and capture you keyboard inputs.
     
    RS, Jun 15, 2005
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  18. The Audigy models have been approved by Matrox for use with the RT.X100. No
    need to turn off the RT.X100 during use of midi input to Audigy. Happy
    editing.
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    Digital Video Solutions, Jun 15, 2005
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  19. Adobe Premiere has live voice over. Since the midi is also output as an
    audible wave signal through the sound card you should hear whatever you do
    within Premiere. As I remember the Audigy has simultaneous wave recording of
    midi input. Keep any audio you record at no less than 44kHz stereo.
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    Digital Video Solutions

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    Digital Video Solutions, Jun 15, 2005
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  20. Sorry Richard, he has not painted himself into a corner. By virtue of
    Premiere Pro's voice over, which is only a live input from the sound card to
    a temp file which is then imported into the Project Bin for use. Just like
    the audio files created by Smartsound Quicktracks for Premiere Pro.
     
    Digital Video Solutions, Jun 15, 2005
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