Is this a good time to invest in Konica-Minolta/Sony a?

Discussion in 'Sony' started by Steve, Jun 19, 2006.

  1. Steve

    Steve Guest

    <Newbie alert on.>
    I was so determined to buy 350D but the size was a big turn off for me
    after I went to the store to actually feel the camera. I noticed the
    cheap feeling of the plastic body and also, its so tiny that I could
    not hold it with all the fingers to get a good grip.
    Knowing my budget, I was told by the salesman that KM 7D bodies are
    going around $700 these days, with magnesium body and lots of buttons.
    I picked one up in the store and it felt really good. I saw some sample
    images too - impressed me greatly.
    I learned from
    that Sony would be bringing out a whole line of lenses (though they
    appeared a bit pricy) for their new a system. I was wondering if these
    lenses could be used on previous KM models such as 7D or 5D.
    As 7D is not a new release I am sure the pros and cons are already
    sorted out in great details, but with the magnesium body and a promise
    of great variety of new lenses (both from Sony and Zeiss) - I am
    thinking of buying 7D as my first DSLR. Can you guys share your
    knowledge/experience on this camera or investing in the KM line please?
    Any thoughts or my questions/comments will be greatly appreciated.
    Steve, Jun 19, 2006
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    bmoag Guest

    You have many choices open to you in this price range. If you have Minolta
    AF lenses and can wait I would go ahead and order the Sony alpha.
    If you do not have an invested interest in Minolta glass you can choose from
    a smorgasboard of dSLRs in this price range. While users on this group have
    irrational preferences for one model/brand over another the truth is that
    most users would be happy with almost any of them.
    bmoag, Jun 19, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    The Alpha looks to be a pretty good package, has anyone seen a price yet?
    Pete D, Jun 19, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    B&H is taking advance orders. Check their site.
    J. Clarke, Jun 20, 2006
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    Steve Wolfe Guest

    I learned from
    Personally, I'd be leery. Sony has a way of killing off perfectly good
    technology through tying people down to the "Sony-Only" philosophy. Look at
    betamax and minidiscs as the most classic examples.

    But, of course, that's just me. However, if you're looking to invest
    long-term into a system with the intention of spending a lot of money and
    purchasing a wide variety of products, then I really don't think that Sony
    will ever have as wide of an offering as Canon or Nikon. In fact, looking
    at the SAL 70-200 f/2.8 and SAL 300 f/2.8, they're so amazingly similar to
    Canon models (and not just in color) that I would be *VERY* surprised that
    they weren't either built by or licensed from Canon. The 1.4 and 2.0
    teleconverters look awfully similar to Canon models as well.

    Overall, Canon or Nikon will give you over twice the lens options, more
    room to move up into more professional cameras, a wider variety of
    accessories, and whether you agree with me about Sony killing off good
    technology or not, are much more likely to stay in the game for the
    long-haul. In terms of variety and longevity, it's a non-starter.

    Now, that's not to say that everyone needs to move into professional
    cameras, buy 400mm lenses, use different focusing screens, wireless remotes,
    or other things that don't seem (at least from my casual glance) to be yet
    offered by Sony. You may, instead, be attracted to having image
    stabilization in the body as opposed to the lenses (that is a feature which
    I personally find highly desirable), or like particular lenses in the
    lineup. If so, that's fine. I'm not in any way a Canon or Nikon zealot,
    and if the Sony makes more sense to you, by all means, go for it!

    Steve Wolfe, Jun 20, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    But for most people that will buy matbe 3-4 lenses or maybe only two it
    seems to be a good compromise.
    Pete D, Jun 20, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    With Pentax offering IS in the body shortly, there's another option, and
    Pentax has been in the game longer than Sony has existed.
    J. Clarke, Jun 20, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Depends on which lenses they need.
    J. Clarke, Jun 20, 2006
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    ian Guest

    They are using the KM mount and are using CF for storage not just memory
    stick. Therefore that particular worry isn't valid in this specific case.
    That could be a good thing. As for wide range of offerings there are very
    few people who need such a wide range of specialist stuff. The vast
    majority will not need tilt shift lenses. This is a consumer grade slr
    after all.
    There is now a glut of KM stuff in the 2nd hand market and as for longevity
    of the machine itself 18 months is about it for any DSLR these days.
    That particular camera is aimed at people who wouldn't want them anyway.

    You may, instead, be attracted to having image

    and if the Sony makes more sense to you, by all means, go for it!
    ian, Jun 20, 2006
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    ian Guest

    So has minolta, sorry Had.
    ian, Jun 20, 2006
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    prsills Guest

    Canon is still WAY out ahead of the other players in the 35 mm DSLR
    market. They are even way ahead of Nikon (To the dismay of Nikon

    It is largely because Canon produces their own sensors. I will
    confess, Nikor glass is still the best.

    The way I see it is this: Buy a Canon D20 or the D30 and use it to
    learn to be a good photographer. Then, because you wont be able to
    help yourself, buy the 5D using your wifes credit card.


    prsills, Jun 20, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    Really? Depends on more than that. I know lots of people that have "bought
    in" to Canon or Nikon because of the huge range of lenses and add ons
    available and most of them use just one lens (the standard zoom) all the
    time, a few use a 70-2/300 occasionally and thats it.
    Pete D, Jun 20, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    And Minolta are offering which camera? Can't live in the past.
    Pete D, Jun 20, 2006
  14. I agree. The average buyer isn't going to buy a flock of lenses that cost
    over a thousand dollars a pop, so the enormous range of extremely
    high-priced lenses available in those mounts is really meaningless to him. I
    know 35mm SLR owners who either a) never bought a second lens for their
    camera, or b) bought a second lens, used it once or twice and then never
    used it again. And they would never even dream of buying one of the
    expensive pro grade lenses, no matter what their needs were.
    Neil Harrington, Jun 21, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    If those are the lenses they need then they have a plethora of options.
    J. Clarke, Jun 21, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    I believe that his point is that Pentax could get in trouble and end up
    belonging to Lego or whoever else wants a DSLR line at the time and has
    money just as KM ended up belonging to Sony.
    J. Clarke, Jun 21, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    Yes in any of the D-SLR camera ranges, all will work.
    Pete D, Jun 21, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    Yes thats true and as long as they keep the same lens mount and have the
    same great ergonomics and are making better cameras every couple of years I
    will probably still be a customer.
    Pete D, Jun 21, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    $900 @ b&h (body) (pre-order)
    Alan Browne, Jun 22, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Given that it uses the AF-mount and CF memory, it seems that Sony are
    doing as little as possible to offend the owners of 16 M lenses out there...
    Alan Browne, Jun 22, 2006
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