is this pic doctored?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Greg N., Sep 14, 2011.

  1. Greg N.

    Ulysses Guest

    I also have that thing (called human?) blocked and don't understand
    what is being said. And now I don't give a damn. please do the same
    go on and enjoy this group and POST whatever you want and think.
    take this old man's advice. we are all here to enjoy photoshop, not that
    that rattles his mouth with vulgar words and put-downs
    Ulysses, Sep 18, 2011
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  2. Greg N.

    Carrie Guest

    Of course.
    I wonder how many people have stopped writing here, or asking questions
    (about Photoshop) because of getting put down by others? Not just those who
    seem to be here to do that (and somehow feel better about themselves by
    doing it) But, those who like to make out they know more about the topic and
    anyone who asks a question is dumb.
    I used to go on a tech support group that said up top "there are no dumb
    questions, just some are easier to answer than others" (something like that)
    I remember when I was first learning how to make webpages, I'd ask
    questions no one could answer because they were so dumb (LOL) Like "where is
    page 2?" But, when someone is new and doesn't k now (or even old and comes
    across something they don't know) it's hard to even explain. And sometimes
    the answer is right there.
    Carrie, Sep 18, 2011
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  3. Greg N.

    Ulysses Guest

    Of course.
    years ago, i took a class on photography
    paid my fee and sat down to hear the teacher
    and learn. sure enough, two classmates, sitting
    in front row, began interrupting rhe teacher with
    their superior knowledge, they quiclkly got off the
    subject , and i got confused. Well, i took it for two
    or three sessions. and finally blew my top. I stood
    up in class, loudly announced, with vulgar words, and said
    i wanted these interruptions stopped. I paid for this class
    and if it does not stop, i will file a formal complaint to the
    school authorities.. the class was completely silent,
    including the teacher, the teacher, red faced, announced
    "lets begin again". the two smart asses were silent
    throughout the remaining classes, and I learned
    the other classmates nodded with approval
    we have to speak up when necessary,
    and tell others where to GO. If someone else
    doesn't like it "TUFF LUCK"
    Ulysses, Sep 18, 2011
  4. Greg N.

    Greg N. Guest

    Nice story, though maybe not quite on topic.

    So, is this picture doctored? What do you think?
    Greg N., Sep 18, 2011
  5. Greg N.

    Savageduck Guest

    Savageduck, Sep 18, 2011
  6. Greg N.

    Voivod Guest

    Insults from behind a filter. How brave!
    Voivod, Sep 18, 2011
  7. Greg N.

    Ulysses Guest

    first I also ride a motor cycle, and I know for a fact
    that the exhaust system must be above water line
    and i do not see any extensions, so if entering the water
    it would not travel too far even if the electrical system is shielded
    .... so my opinion is "fake"
    thanks for reply
    Ulysses, Sep 18, 2011
  8. Greg N.

    Carrie Guest

    Of course, this is a good/legitmate point, but this (we are participating
    on) is an unmoderated newsgroup. There's not really anything anyone can do.
    If you read on Google groups you can report abuse, but as far as I know,
    nothing is every done. The ISP can be contacted (if they don't use an
    anonymous one, as some who like to act up, do) but even IF the ISP cancels
    their account they can set up another one. They are paying for it and it's
    In a setting like this, ultimately we have to monitor ourselves, and focus
    on what we want here (talking/learning about Photoshop) and ignore
    everything else. Not get sidetraked by it.
    Also, if you have the option, block the person and not even see it.
    We can't always get rid of people (or get away from them, or get them to
    shut up) in "offline" life, and really can't, here.
    Carrie, Sep 18, 2011
  9. Greg N.

    Carrie Guest

    I think it's a toss up. It could be totally fabricated, or not. If not,
    it's probably enhanced in some way. Brightened, Clone stamped in small
    ways, etc. to make it look more dramatic. Was there a point to the photo?
    Did someone just tak it, at random, or was it in an ad for something, or to
    illustrate an article or something? That might be a clue, too. I think the
    only way to really know is to ask someone involved with it.
    Carrie, Sep 18, 2011
  10. Greg N.

    Carrie Guest

    Well, it could have entered the water and be stopped and the picture
    taken at that point. With the water a little choppy around it.
    Would it be good for the bike to ride it into the water like that? Though
    I suppose it could be dried out after. If it was actually going (in the
    water) wouldn't there be some ripples or distrubance in the water around it?
    Carrie, Sep 18, 2011
  11. Greg N.

    Carrie Guest

    I found the site it comes from, other pictures there of bikes in the
    water, mud, etc.
    Says: "This is probably the worst idea but the photo is great
    No snorkel and probably a lot of water truth the pipe love to hear the
    story of this one "

    The picture seems to be posted in 2003 by someone in Spain.
    Seems like a lot of trouble (if it's doctored) just to post it on a site
    that has other pictures of bikes in water, mud, etc.

    Not like if it was for a commercial or ad for something, where it might be
    put together just for effect (for some reason)
    Carrie, Sep 18, 2011
  12. Greg N.

    mike fee Guest

    I believe the 'surf' is a wave produced by the bike (probably mainly
    from tehe right pannier) as it entered the deeper water a couple of
    seconds earlier. The bike is now probabbly stationary (or nearly so) and
    the wave has moved forwards away from the bike. The foreshortening
    effect of the telephoto shot (presumably taken from the other side of
    the river) is what makes the wave look odd in relationship to the bike.
    I can see no problems with depth od field or anything else.

    I think that any suggestion that the photo is significantly doctored
    raised more questions than it solves. Why would anybody _want_ to fake
    this view?

    -- Mike
    mike fee, Sep 18, 2011
  13. The bike in question can, actually go through water like that with a
    snorkel on the air box. It's one kill off-road bike.
    John J Stafford, Sep 19, 2011
  14. Ulysses, I rode for thirty years, many different kinds of street bikes
    of manufacturing dates from 1956 to 1995, Harley, BMW, Ducati and as
    long as the ignition was sealed, and the carbs were above water, the
    bike would go through the water with the pipes underwater - but #1, I
    did not go as deep as the bike in question and #2, none had sealed
    ignitions, although the BMW's was higher. They all eventually came out
    rather badly from the crossing.
    John J Stafford, Sep 19, 2011
  15. Greg N.

    dorayme Guest

    If you don't know how the bike got in, at what speed or really
    much about the circumstances, you cannot confidently conclude
    about what is due to the bike's movement, or the effects from
    previous moments at the moment the picture was taken.
    dorayme, Oct 1, 2011
  16. Greg N.

    Greg N. Guest

    I am experienced enough with motorcycling to confidently say that, so
    deep in the water, this bike cannot move fast enough to cause a bow
    wash of the magnitude seen here. Hence, this can't be a bow wave. It
    would have to be be surf caused by the current - if it was real.

    Gregor mit dem Motorrad auf Reisen

    noise seems to convey great ideas of power to the ignorant
    - James Watt
    Greg N., Oct 4, 2011
  17. Greg N.

    dorayme Guest

    Not questioning your known experience (we have slightly and
    pleasantly swapped MC experience before I think, years back). But
    your above is a non-sequitur. The bike might have not been in the
    water long, its sudden entry and being brought to a halt by the
    resistance of the water might have caused what we are seeing. I
    am not saying you are wrong to think it doctored, I am saying it
    is a bit hard to tell on the basis of the things you are pointing
    dorayme, Oct 5, 2011
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