iso 3200 color film

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Jan Keirse, Sep 28, 2004.

  1. Jan Keirse

    Jan Keirse Guest

    Hello,

    Does iso 3200 color film exist? I can't seam to find any and my photography
    shops don't know of any, but it would be nice to have, even with the likely
    exagerated grain.

    Kind regards,

    Jan
     
    Jan Keirse, Sep 28, 2004
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    I previously used quite a bit of Kodak Ektachrome P1600, which works well at
    ISO 3200. I have also used it at ISO 6400 on many occasions. I have one
    example on my web site using this at ISO 3200:

    <http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery/advertising/wheels3200.jpg> hand held shoot
    with 50 mm f1.4

    The grain is better at ISO 800, which is mostly were I used it. This film is
    now very expensive, and I have mostly replaced it with Kodak E200. However,
    with E200, it is only possible to get up to about ISO 2500, depending upon
    lighting.

    It is possible to push Kodak Portra 800 up to ISO 3200, though it ends up more
    grainy than P1600. The plus is that Portra 800 is much cheaper.

    Other than those, I think Konica use to make a high ISO, or push capable,
    transparency film. I have never used that one.

    Updated!
     
    Gordon Moat, Sep 28, 2004
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    Bill Tuthill Guest

    The latest Ctein review in Photo Techniques magazine essentially concludes
    with a recommendation to expose Portra 800 at EI 1600 and process with
    50% extra development time (push2).

    It's only one stop, get a better lens! Or borrow a Canon DSLR, which is
    capable of low-noise results at ISO 3200.
    I'm not aware of a high-speed Konica transparency film, but years ago
    Konica did make SRG 3200. My tests indicated it was more like a 1600
    (or lower) speed film. Konica now has a 1600 in the Centuria lineup.
    Most people who have tried them both say Konica Centuria Super 1600
    is better than Fuji Superia/Press 1600.
     
    Bill Tuthill, Sep 28, 2004
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    Justin Thyme Guest

    I don't know of any.
    The following is mostly speculation on my behalf and so could be totally
    off-beam - perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me can correct me if I am
    wrong:
    As far as i'm aware 3200 B&W film doesn't exist either - films like kodak
    p3200 and ilford's 3200 ISO B&W are actually lower ISO (1000 in the case of
    kodak, I think the ilford one is about 800), but can be uprated to 3200 by
    push processing (the pushed process time is the manufacturer recommended
    time - notice that these films have much longer process times than their
    lower speed equivalents). In colour however, since pretty well every lab
    does standard C41 or E6 processing, it would be very hard to get the film
    developed as the lab would have to push it to make it 3200. Assuming you
    could get push-processing done, I'm not 100% sure, but I _think_ colour
    balance and contrast gets seriously affected when push processes are applied
    to colour film, especially if it is a few stops like would be the case with
    3200. Also the contrast change that occurs in B&W enhances the look that
    people are often trying to achieve with these high speed films, i don't know
    if the same effect would occur on colour.
     
    Justin Thyme, Sep 28, 2004
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    Bill Hilton Guest

    From: "Justin Thyme"
    I used to use T-Max 3200 for the occasional street shot at night and I'm pretty
    sure they still make it.
     
    Bill Hilton, Sep 28, 2004
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    Tony Guest

    Fuji Press 1600 can be pushed to 3200(one stop). It will not, however go to
    6400, or even 5000 (with 2 stop push)
     
    Tony, Sep 29, 2004
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    Bandicoot Guest

    Kodak used to make Ektapress Multispeed (PJM) as well as the rest of the 'P'
    family - that was their recommendation for use at 1,600-3,200, and could be
    rated anywhere from 400 (or was it 200?) up to at least 6,400. Shame they
    discontinued it, because it was an impressive film.

    But then, I guess that fits with the Kodak policy of cutting from the line
    anything that could possibly be unique or offer a USP relative to Fuji.
    Come to think of it, maybe the board of Kodak are actually Fuji moles,
    infiltrated over the past twenty years...


    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Sep 29, 2004
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  8. Jan Keirse

    Justin Thyme Guest

    They certainly do, and I have it in my camera at the moment - the film is
    actually ISO 1000, but can be rated at EI3200. If you shoot at EI3200 you
    actually use push processing (it can be pushed further still). But my point
    was, the film isn't truly an ISO3200 film.
     
    Justin Thyme, Sep 29, 2004
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  9. Jan Keirse

    Bill Tuthill Guest

    I liked PJM too. From what I could tell, much multispeed technology
    went into PJ400, but with improved skin tones. PJM and PJ400 were
    both 500 speed films, approximately. Kodak screwed things up again
    (if you ask me) with Supra 400, which was a higher contrast material.
    However Supra 800 had most of the multispeed technology, although its
    grain was somewhat worse than PJ400 in underexposed areas.

    Fortunately the multispeed technology seems to have been added to
    Portra 400UC, now called Ultra Color 400 in certain markets (USA).
    Grain is much lower than PJM, PJ400, and Supra 400. Skin tones are
    excellent with regard to grain, although red response is too high
    for pictures of people with poor complexions.
     
    Bill Tuthill, Sep 29, 2004
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  10. Jan Keirse

    Bandicoot Guest

    PJM used to be the film I used inside the marquee at the Chelsea Flower Show
    every year, where it coped with the odd colour of the light very well, as
    well as the low levels. The new floral pavilions let more light in, and
    colour it less, so the loss of PJM bothers me a little less than it used to!
    Now I use Supra 800 if the weather is dull (I use it for various other
    things too) or Portra 400UC if it's a bit brighter. (Portra 160NC for the
    outdoor shots at Chelsea - slide film has too much contrast.)
    Portra 400UC is now the film I keep in my pocket camera - the P&S that goes
    everywhere, just in case. It is such a versatile film, and the grain is
    excellent for a 400. I have a roll of it pushed to 800 at the lab. now, it
    will be very interesting to get it back and compare it to the Supra 800 I
    shot at the same event.



    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Sep 30, 2004
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  11. Jan Keirse

    Bill Tuthill Guest

    Did you get your pushed Portra 400UC back from the lab yet? How was it?
     
    Bill Tuthill, Oct 4, 2004
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  12. Can you explain how this "multispeed technology" works?
     
    Pete McCutchen, Oct 13, 2004
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    Bill Tuthill Guest

    Bill Tuthill, Oct 13, 2004
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