jump cuts being purposely used in movies now

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by AnthonyR, Nov 8, 2005.

  1. AnthonyR

    AnthonyR Guest

    Hi Guys,

    After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make a
    production seem, I see them purposely
    being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i like
    it.

    The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name) and
    a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
    I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump cuts
    in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.

    Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
    Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage of
    time.

    Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing effects
    will now become mainstream?

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Nov 8, 2005
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    WRon PBG Guest

    I like jump cuts when used in the right way. I'm not exactly sure what
    the right way is, but I know it when I see it. I think we're seeing it
    more now because of home camcorders and the way people start and stop
    their recordings. Or maybe they edit that way on iMovie. Remember the
    wobbly all-over hand-held camera shots from the '90s? I hated that,
    but there again was an effect influenced by home camcorders.

    Ron
    http://www.pushbuttongadget.com
     
    WRon PBG, Nov 8, 2005
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Ron,

    Good point about how home camcorder use can influence what we see more of as
    effects.
    That might make jump cuts more palatable as people see them all the time in
    their home videos, true.

    I remember the slow fade often signaling a passage of time, but in the use
    of several jump cuts over the course
    of say a family arguing over dinner, it does let you know material was
    removed to shorten the scene, and that was
    the point and correct effect in that case. So I guess everything has it's
    time and place. :)
    Thanks for the reply, nice web site also.

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Nov 8, 2005
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    Jona Vark Guest

    Anthony..

    Jump cuts have been an artistic choice in many films for over ten years.
    I have had to do them for directors who insist on them. I only rarely feel
    that they fit and can't recall when it was my choice to do one.
     
    Jona Vark, Nov 8, 2005
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    ushere Guest

    usually the result of bad scripting / planning / plotting / shooting / etc.,
    but which the under 30's or 'youth' generation seem to think cool.

    then again, i'm an old fart who couldn't stand wobble cam unless it was done
    professionally - and none of my clients could remotely come close to nypd
    for style and scripted camera moves...

    leslie
     
    ushere, Nov 9, 2005
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    Bill Fright Guest

    I graduated college the same year mtv started and quickly learned that
    everything I learned in school was being turned on its ear. Not just
    jump cuts but try explaining crossing the plain during a good football game.
     
    Bill Fright, Nov 9, 2005
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  7. AnthonyR

    AnthonyR Guest

    I appreciate all the input guys, jona, I agree anything can be artistic
    nowadays.
    And tv uses bad video as effect or illusion often.
    Take for example "Commander and Chief" everytime she thinks of the past,
    they
    over expose the brightness levels of the picture to simulate a bad video
    recording from
    the past, it would look pretty bad if the whole show was done like that, but
    because of that
    you know it's from the past.

    So I guess consumer video tape influenced this effect also since most
    people's home video from a couple
    of decades ago looked like this.

    I guess any effect is acceptable now as long as you return to quality format
    so people can see it was an intentional effect.
    Good for coverups also as Leslie noted.
    I wonder what bad technique hasn't been used an effect yet?

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Nov 9, 2005
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    Jona Vark Guest


    Oh..man.. you actually watch that show? Geena Davis looks deformed.. odd..
    she used to be attractive.. like.. 20 years ago..

    :)
     
    Jona Vark, Nov 9, 2005
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  9. Geena Davis remains hawt. As to jump cuts, they are more popular than
    ever, but I think if you work at it, you could find examples of it as
    far back as the twenties. Not many, because it commonly was seen as a
    mistake.
     
    nobody special, Nov 10, 2005
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  10. AnthonyR

    AnthonyR Guest

    Exactly! I seen a movie that used them (to me obviously intentional) but had
    an argument with a friend
    who insisted because it was a low budget film that they were mistakes, lol
    Their is no way, an editor would make 3 jump cuts in one scene by mistake
    and no others for the rest of the movie.
    i know it was intentional to signify removal of time, but other people view
    this as a mistake.
    Just like you said they did from the twenties.
    Thank You.

    AnthonyR.

    About Geena Davis, she might have been hotter 20 years ago but still looks
    pretty good. :)
     
    AnthonyR, Nov 10, 2005
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  11. Ha! Been fighting them off for an edit recently, and succeeded :)
    And indeed with the coming of MTV-generation, they have become more and
    more popular again. I don't mind them, but I usually find it distracting to
    see them only once, which for me is like covering something up. Seeing
    jump-cuts a few times, makes it style. Seeing them too often, makes me
    dizzy again.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Nov 14, 2005
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  12. Hmm, actually they could make them, to try and prepare chopping up the
    material. The next day the director walks in, has a look, the material runs
    over the jump-cuts, the editor mumbles "I'm working on this bit,
    disregard", the director doesn't hear, and says "wow, that is cool". And
    then the jump-cuts stay.
    You can use jump-cuts as well to disturb the audience a bit (stir up their
    mood), to prepare them for the next action.

    If you get the chance, have a look at "San tiao ren". It contains some
    interesting experimental stuff with speed-ramps on-the-fly, jerky cam, and
    jump-cuts. But it all works.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Nov 14, 2005
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