Just got my 10D - initial thoughts

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Vinnie, Jun 25, 2004.

  1. Vinnie

    Vinnie Guest

    Thanks all for your inputs on whether or not to get a 10D so close to
    Photokina (where a Mk 2 might be released).

    In the end, I needed a DSLR now, and the decision sort of made itself.
    I picked up a 10D, a 1GB CF card (another 1 on the way) and a
    Smartdisk Flashtrax 30 GB portable data storage device.

    I've been playing with the camera a little bit and some initial
    thoughts, in no particular order:

    - that viewfinder sure is small, compared even to the EOS 7

    - using this camera is a lot less spontaneuous: make sure the
    batteries are charged, make sure the spare batteries are charged. The
    battery grip and 2 BP-511s make this less of an issue but in a few
    weeks, as I head for 5,000m + mountain climes, this is going to be
    come a more important issue.

    - histogram: I love it! What a great tool.

    - also like: ability to change compensation from 1/2 stops to 1/3
    stops, knowing what those damn CF functions are and ability to assign
    FEL and AE lock to different buttons

    - biggest bummer: my current laptop and home PC are proving to be
    woefully inadequate. I think a new PC is on the cards. I knew I'd
    have to do this anyway, so it isnt unexpected.

    - long-term storage of data: this is still an open concern. After my
    own experiences with CD-Rs, not to mention the various bits of info on
    the web, the idea of burning all my precious images onto CDs makes me
    shudder in horror. I guess I'll be making a lot of triplicates. Are
    DVD-Rs any more reliable for long-term storage?

    I also picked up a few rolls of Velvia... film and digital are going
    to have to learn to live together in my camera bag :)

    Cheers,
    Vandit
     
    Vinnie, Jun 25, 2004
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    Bill Hilton Guest

    From: (Vinnie)
    Pick up two external hard drives ... you can find them on sale for around 50-60
    cents/GB right now, which is comparable to the better CD-R disks. Archive all
    your shots on them, keeping one off-site for safety, and running Scan Disk
    occasionally to catch any possible (inevitable) disk errors.

    You can get around 20,000 RAW 10D files on a 120 GB drive ...
     
    Bill Hilton, Jun 25, 2004
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    Sabineellen Guest

    Verbatim Datalife should be the minimum you'd consider, once you handle a few
    of them you'll immensely dislike other common CDs and their bad quality. Avoid
    all others at any cost, even if you trust the brand, as most now outsource and
    rebadge; i had trouble a couple of days ago with JVC and Samsung i burned just
    a few months ago and haven't even used. And no, DVDs aren't better than CDs,
    I'd stick with CDs and burn at the lowest possible speed your drive can
    write... avoid 40x/52x and stick to x2 if that's your lowest.

    Then avoid CD labels at any cost... buy one of those CD marker pens like the
    ones made by 3M and use that. Don't use CD labels, avoid them like the plague.

    As for storage, personally i prefer to buy Spindles with an axial shaft, the
    Verbatim Datalife line does so, and i find this the most convenient option for
    CD storage.

    Burn at least two CDs, preferably 3, one you can use and two you don't. Keep
    one of the two offsite like Bill said
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 25, 2004
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    Jason Ng Guest

    more things to come.

    dust on ccd, picture improvements using software,......
     
    Jason Ng, Jun 25, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    I haven't had a cd-r fail in 5 years of burning them. I do dupilcates and
    have a hard drive full of my finished pictures too. Sweat it not - if you
    are careful with your stuff you are safer with cds than with film.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jun 25, 2004
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    Sabineellen Guest

    You've been exceptionally lucky then. That's not the experience of most people.
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 26, 2004
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    Matt Clara Guest

    It has been my experience, too. And, no, I'm not just being difficult.
     
    Matt Clara, Jun 26, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    No one I personally know has ever had a CD-R fail --- except while
    writing --- either. I think there are some people out there in usenet land
    who like to scare people.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jun 26, 2004
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    Colm Guest

    I've never seen one fail either, and I use a large amount of them and have
    done for 7 years or so.
    Of course, it'll happen now that I've said that....
     
    Colm, Jun 26, 2004
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    Hils Guest

    Colm wrote
    The only time CD-Rs have failed for me was when I tried multi-
    sessioning. At the time I was working with people who were keen on
    recycling; I was able to report that trying to re-use CD-Rs was a waste
    of my time, their money, and had a very high risk of data loss.
    (Subsequently I've not done it with my own data, and not had a
    failure...
    ....so far! :))
     
    Hils, Jun 26, 2004
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    Vinnie Guest

    What has got me worried is my experience with VCDs. In my new,
    corporate-drone-free incarnation, I now run a dive shop in a little
    tropical island very far from everywhere. I use VCDs for teaching
    courses - this year, we've had quite a few VCDs fail after about 15
    viewings... on a brand new brand-name DVD player, to boot. It has
    shaken my faith, let's say.

    I think I'll do a bit of this and a bit of that: a 60GB external HD
    AND 2 CDRs. If that doesnt work, then fuggit... it's just a phot,
    I'll go take some more!

    Vandit
     
    Vinnie, Jun 26, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Interesting. I've had them fail while doing a second session also. In
    fact I would say that most of the failures I've had while writing cds were
    while doing a mulrtisession. I haven't had one since getting my new machine
    and that might be because I now do a temp backup on a 750 meg Zip disk.
    Which I write to CDs when necessary --- and consequently only write the cds
    once.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jun 26, 2004
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    Hils Guest

    Tony Spadaro wrote
    IMX the key factor is the physical condition of the disc. A dirty CD can
    still be perfectly readable, but writing to one which is anything less
    than spotless is likely to fail. I guess it's difficult to error-correct
    a laser which being diffused or diffracted while it's burning.

    I'm about due for a PC upgrade, when I do this I'll probably convert the
    old one into a dedicated file server.

    How do you find the zip drive? My last encounter with one of these was a
    couple of years ago, an external drive which was so slow I never
    seriously considered it for large-scale storage.
     
    Hils, Jun 27, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    They are not fast, but if all you are doing is saving to one at the end of a
    session there is little time lost for the user. When I'm ready to back up
    the zip to a cd I usually first run the contents to a folder on my F drive
    called "holdcd" as taking the files from the zip to the cd is very slow.
    Then I burn the cd from the F drive. Both of these ops are done while I'm
    not sitting around watching the machine play with itself so time is not
    really a factor. I burn two cds of the stuff then erase the Zip and rename
    the holdcd folder to the final name I use for both cds - after making sure
    both cd-rs are playable.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jun 27, 2004
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    funny

    I have been avoiding Verbatim at all for about ten years just due to their
    floppy disks being a total crap. Even those no-name ones were showing
    significantly lower failure rates...
     
    Tomas Daniska, Jun 27, 2004
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    Bill Tuthill Guest

    You don't know me (except on r.p.e.35mm) but we both know Leonard Wolf.

    A friend sent me a batch of CDRs (unbranded, green dye, phthalocyanine?)
    inside ziplock plastic bags. Looked like the plastic bags had been used
    to hold cheese at one time. The CDRs were very greasy, so I washed them
    with clear unscented dish soap. All but one were perfectly readable.
    However that one was bad news! It took down my drive, which had to be
    replaced. This doesn't qualify as dye fading, just stupidity.

    My workplace buys ultra-cheap CDRs manufactures by Moser-Baer in India,
    an orange-book boycotted company because they don't contribute to the
    Japan-based consortium. One of the CDRs, after normal office handling,
    got a chip on the dye later and became unreadable. Again, this is not
    dye fading, but it's a form of failure that could occur anytine, and
    which might be more common with low-quality discs.

    Compared to floppy disks though, CDRs are the Rock of Gibraltar.
     
    Bill Tuthill, Jun 28, 2004
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Believe me - if someone handed me a set of cd's in the condition you
    describe - I wouldn't even touch them. On physical damage failures -- there
    are a lot of them, but I notice the people who chip up their cd-rs are the
    same ones that have audio cds that skip and who have software they can't
    install again from teh original disks --- These people I don't count as they
    have a proven track record of destroying media. Most of them have piles of
    unreadable 3 inch floppies too with things like visible cigarette burns on
    the casing.
    I also admit that every cd I own is a good one - I don't buy the
    cheapies.
    Have you tried the polishing routien to salvage chipped and scratched
    disks. I have not and wonder if it works or is BS.

    PS -- IF you see Leonard Wolf, tell him the man in this picture:
    http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/ha0211.html
    says hello.
     
    Tony Spadaro, Jun 28, 2004
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