Kai's PowerTools Petition

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Somebody, Jul 5, 2007.

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    Somebody Guest


    I have started a Petition to try and get Corel Corporation to update, create
    a new interface and release ALL of the Kai's PowerTools plug-ins in one
    package and at an affordable price. I have been waiting and hoping that
    Corel would do something with these plug-ins and nothing has happened. I am
    hoping that this petition will get them going.

    If you would like to see Kai's PowerTools updated (including the 3.0
    plug-ins) please sign the petition. It is at:



    Somebody, Jul 5, 2007
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    Waterspider Guest

    Do you really think Corel will be impressed with a petition signed by Adobe
    Waterspider, Jul 5, 2007
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    RC_Moonpie Guest

    thats funny.

    too bad tho, KPT was geat stuff, especially the old Vector Effects
    RC_Moonpie, Jul 5, 2007
  4. Somebody

    Somebody Guest

    A. They bought them products.
    B. Painter and Paint Shop Pro use Photoshop Plug-ins.
    C. Photoshop plug-ins like it or not are the standard and are used by more
    programs than any other format.

    So yes. Besides it can't hurt. If Corel sees there is a market they just
    might do it.

    Somebody, Jul 5, 2007
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    Fat Sam Guest

    Don't see why not.
    If they see an opportunity to make a profit, then they're likely to respond
    favourably to it.
    That's why they're a successfull company.
    Fat Sam, Jul 6, 2007
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    Waterspider Guest

    Because they're a successful company, if the idea seems profitable, they
    would have already done it, yes?
    I suspect it's got more to do with the cost of licensing, in which case one
    would be better off to petition KPT.
    Waterspider, Jul 6, 2007
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    Somebody Guest

    What are you talking about. Corel owns KPT. Petition KPT what are you
    talking about? You want to petition the plug-ins to update themselves?

    Somebody, Jul 8, 2007
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    Skinner1 Guest

    What's it going to hurt?
    Skinner1, Jul 8, 2007
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    Fat Sam Guest

    Not necesarilly.
    They may not be aware that a market exists.

    Let me give you an example.
    Once upon a time, your humble supermarket would only sell food, groceries,
    cleaning stuff, and frozen goods.
    But nowadays in your local supermarket, you can buy TV's, get your photos
    developed, have a bunch of flowers delivered to your wife, buy insurance.
    Supermarkets now run their own ISP's (mine is an example), offer their own
    credit cards, and some even allow you to pay utility bills over the counter.

    Now, at some point in their history, while they were just selling food and
    groceries, they realised that there were other potential markets out there
    which represented a profit to them.
    So if the idea seemed profitable to them, why did they wait so long to
    realise it? Why had they not already done it?

    You get where I'm coming from?
    Kai was bought out by Corel long ago.
    It's not uncommon for manufaturers of a programme to release a 3rd party
    plugin for a rival application, allowing some of their functionality in that
    rival application.

    In fact it makes good business sense.
    Think about it.

    You've just spent £400 on a new copy of photoshop.

    Suddenly you realise there's a tool you need which isn't available in your
    new copy of photoshop.

    You search the web for something that can do the job, and you discover Kai
    Power Tools.

    You check the price and discover that it will cost you a further £300 just
    to get the use of this one single tool. That's too much money for one single
    You'll probably never use the rest of the tools in KPT, so it represents a
    lot of money for a single tool, and you're not willing to get rid of
    photoshop as you've already invested a lt of money and time into it.

    So Corel know that unless they do something, they've lost a customer.
    Lost customers = Lost profits

    Now, we've already said they're a successfull company, and they didn't get
    to be that way by turning away customers and losing profits. So they decide
    something must be done. They're losing a potentially huge market share to
    the Adobe corporation.

    So they get onto their programmers and instruct them to decompile the
    original application and break it up into it's individual tools, then
    re-compile each of those tools into a plugin which can be installed into

    Now they can sell you an individual bolt-on tool for Photoshop for £30
    instead of £300.

    If they didn't do this, they would likely lose the market share of people
    who have bought photoshop, simply because they couldn't afford a second lage
    investemnt in KPT as well.
    Now, they've effectively found a way to tap into Adobe's market share
    without hurting Adobe's profits in the process.

    So everyone's a winner.
    The end user is happy because he gets a more powerfull application with
    better tools.
    Corel are happy because they're selling to customers who would have
    otherwise ignored their product.
    And Adobe are happy because once word gets around that there's KPT plugins
    available for photoshop, it will make their product more inviting to
    potential buyers.

    That's why Adobe are generally quite happy for 3rd party programers to write
    and release their own plugins for Photoshop.
    Fat Sam, Jul 8, 2007
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    Waterspider Guest

    I wasn't aware that Corel owns KPT.
    Note to self: Don't take it personally; Somebody! is obviously having a bad
    day ;-)
    Waterspider, Jul 8, 2007
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    Waterspider Guest

    I didn't know that Corel owned Kai but, that aside, what you say makes
    perfect sense and I'd never considered that aspect of marketing-- thank you
    for taking the time to explain it so clearly. Interesting... I remember
    when (all) software products were crafted so that competing products could
    not access any features. Cross-platform compatability did not exist and it
    doesn't seem like that long ago. Do you think we'll ever see software
    industry players consulting each other on all their new products? Imagine
    being able to apply Photoshop effects in, say, a Fusion web design? We have
    the technology!!!

    p.s. Checked out your photostream. Great stuff, I really like it.
    Waterspider, Jul 8, 2007
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    Somebody Guest

    Well, do you really think I would petition a company to do something with a
    product they don't own? Corel bought KPT, Painter, Bryce and a few other
    things from MetaCreations when they went belly up. Bryce however, Corel

    Somebody, Jul 8, 2007
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    Waterspider Guest

    Okay, okay, okay... calm down, willya? Your point was made and I
    acknowledged it. Let me add that I am sorry I upset you.
    Waterspider, Jul 8, 2007
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    Father Kodak Guest

    Actually I don't think that Corel is a very successful corporation.
    They have done a whole bunch of software acquisitions that turned out
    to be very unprofitable, starting with WordPerfect, which now has low
    single digit market share. Guess who has most of the rest?
    Assuming that they were not total idiots, then they got the source
    code when they acquired the program. They don't need to "decompile,"
    they need to restructure the code, but that assumes it was
    well-written and not just "spaghetti," which is often the case.

    They can't add any new features, or even make the existing program
    compatible with say Vista or OS X without the source code. Of course,
    if the existing code is a big jumble of "spaghetti," then that may be
    an insurmountable barrier to any changes in the program.

    Father Kodak
    Father Kodak, Jul 8, 2007
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    Fat Sam Guest

    Okay, put it this way.
    Going by their accounts. they're arguably more succesfull than any of the
    businesses I've run.
    But then that wouldn't be difficult.
    Fat Sam, Jul 8, 2007
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    Waterspider Guest

    If you're talking professional graphic design, it seems that Corel is second
    only to Adobe. That sounds pretty darn successful to me.
    Waterspider, Jul 8, 2007
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    Somebody Guest

    Your the one that seems to think I have a problem. I don't. I am just
    providing information. No attitude or anything less.

    Somebody, Jul 9, 2007
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    Somebody Guest

    Corel does just fine. WordPerfect is used a lot in the legal world. The
    problem is that by the time Corel has bought something it was already in
    trouble. I think Corel needs to be commended for keeping products that would
    have otherwise be dead by now. WordPerfect Corporation killed WordPerfect
    years ago by not being able to get a viable Windows version out. Had the
    done so Microsoft Word would be the one little used today. Also, allowing
    themselves to be purchased by a network company like Novell was just the
    final nail in the market share coffin. Corel has done a fine job with
    updates to WordPerfect as well as other products. The Jasc products as well
    as the Ulead products have not lost any market share because of Corel. The
    products are what they are and will be what they have been.

    Somebody, Jul 9, 2007
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    Father Kodak Guest

    which is a tiny, tiny sliver of the overall corporate market for
    office products.
    then why oh why would someone buy them? THAT in itself usually
    indicates poor judgment. It is very, very unusual to reverse a
    software market share decline, notably when you're competing with

    These days, venture capitalists won't fund most new companies if MS is
    either a competitor or potential competitor. I'm sure there are
    exceptions, as there are to any "rule" in business, but they only
    provide hate point.

    As for Corel being a successful company, check out this news story:


    Possibly true. Novell itself tried to compete in the office arena
    against MS and failed miserably. In Novell's case, their market
    share began to decline with Windows 2000 server, and NetWare is all
    but forgotten these days, as is Novell itself.

    Father Kodak
    Father Kodak, Jul 9, 2007
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    KatWoman Guest

    I am curious what features of Kai's you are missing??
    the only thing I ever used it for was liquefying and now that is in PS built
    and Kai's was limited to only bitmap format images
    and made huge files if you saved as avi movies
    KatWoman, Jul 10, 2007
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