Kodak Elon (Metol) discontinued??

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by Lloyd Erlick, Jun 10, 2006.

  1. Lloyd Erlick

    Lloyd Erlick Guest

    June 10, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

    I'm running low on my stock of Metol (I use
    the Kodak version called Elon, which could be
    ordered from the photo store in one pound
    containers.) Kodak CAT 146 3025.

    According to the knowledgeable folks at
    1-800-GO-KODAK, all that black and white
    stuff has been discontinued.

    So, until I'm discontinued, does anyone know
    where to get Metol?? An easy source in Canada
    would be nice...

    Thank you very much and regards,
    --le
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    John Guest

    John, Jun 11, 2006
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    John Guest

    http://www.jdphotochem.com/

    5lbs for $125. I don't know if that's Canadian or American though.


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    June 10, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

    Thanks for reminding me about this source! I
    had quite forgotten, even though I have a
    file about it on my computer.

    He prices in US$. The C$ just passed 0.90
    USD, so the prices are relatively attractive.
    Shipping is a significant part of the price,
    though.

    There is also my favorite chemical supplier
    and goat-milk soap maker to the darkroom:

    Nymoc,
    24 McGee St.,
    Toronto M4M 2K9 Canada,
    (416) 465-1929.



    regards,
    --le
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    website: www.heylloyd.com
    telephone: 416-686-0326
    email:
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    Lloyd Erlick, Jun 11, 2006
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    Rod Smith Guest

    Others have addressed alternate supply sources, but I'm a bit skeptical
    that Kodak has discontinued Elon. My suspicion is that the drone to whom
    you talked was confused because Kodak has discontinued B&W *PAPERS*. To
    the best of my knowledge, Kodak is still manufacturing B&W packaged
    chemistry (D-76, Dektol, XTOL, HC-110, etc.). Many of these packaged
    chemicals use Elon/Metol, so I'd be a bit surprised if Kodak stopped
    selling Elon by itself. Of course, I could be wrong and have just missed
    the "sky is falling" brouhaha that would inevitably erupt if Kodak WERE to
    discontinue selling Elon.
     
    Rod Smith, Jun 11, 2006
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    Digitaltruth Guest

    Digitaltruth, Jun 11, 2006
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    Lloyd Erlick Guest



    June 11, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

    That was my first thought. Poor fellow
    working for a photography company and what
    did he have to do? Talk to a dopey
    photographer about stupid photographic
    materials. I doubt that any of his training
    involved anything I asked him.

    Still, it's doubtful Kodak makes any Elon in
    Canada. If the operators of the branch plant
    here decided to suspend importation of
    anything from the mother corp, it's pretty
    much the same thing as discontinuation around
    here.

    And why am I in any lather to give nickels or
    even pennies to Kodak, anyway?? And what do
    the shareholders think about the way a paying
    customer such as myself has been told to take
    his business elsewhere?

    regards,
    --le
    ________________________________
    Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
    website: www.heylloyd.com
    telephone: 416-686-0326
    email:
    ________________________________
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    Lloyd Erlick, Jun 11, 2006
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    Mike Guest

    Maybe its a good time to switch to Vitamin C developers.

    http://www.jackspcs.com/e76.htm

    I order Phenidone and Sodium Sulfite. The Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) comes
    from my local health food store, and Borax from the grocery store.
     
    Mike, Jun 11, 2006
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    Rod Smith Guest

    The most common developers use one ingredient from each of columns A and
    B, or minor variants of these items (best viewed with a monospaced font):

    A B
    --------- -------------
    metol hydroquinone
    phenidone ascorbic acid

    In other words, ascorbic acid is a substitute for hydroquinone, not for
    metol. That said, phenidone seems to be more common in published ascorbate
    formulas, whereas metol seems to be more common in published hydroquinone
    formulas. Switching to a PC developer instead of an MQ developer will get
    you away from the metol, but not because it's an ascorbate developer per
    se. You could as easily switch to a PQ developer or to something else
    entirely (Rodinal, for instance, which is based on p-aminophenol). There
    are also published MC developers, such as Suzuki's DS-12, so some
    ascorbate developers still require metol. Furthermore, any photographic
    supply outlet that sells phenidone is almost certain to carry SOMEBODY'S
    brand of metol, too.

    Thus, although there are good reasons to switch from MQ to PC developers
    (and other reasons not to switch), difficulty finding Kodak-branded
    Elon/Metol isn't one of them.

    As a side note, there ARE formulas for developers that can be made using
    nothing but ingredients found in supermarkets, drug stores, hardware
    stores, and the like. Caffeinol and Rodinal-like developers built around
    Tylenol (acetaminophen) are examples. If ordering from photographic
    chemistry suppliers is impossible, these may do the trick. A couple of
    references (Google for more):

    http://www.apug.org/forums/article.php?a=22
    http://silent1.home.netcom.com/Photography/Dilutions and Times.html
     
    Rod Smith, Jun 11, 2006
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  13. Lloyd Erlick wrote (in part):
    What do the shareholders think?

    I imagine they are so concerned about the falling profits that they want the
    company to lay off as many employees as possible, giving first choice to
    those in less profitable parts of the company. They also want the company to
    lay off as much manufacturing as possible to reduce exposure to product
    liability and environmental lawsuits.

    How does selling piddling amounts of chemistry matter much to a corporation
    like that? They are not in the business of making life better for some
    hobbyists. They are in business to make profits for the shareholders.
     
    Jean-David Beyer, Jun 11, 2006
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  14. I've researched the Tylenol developer. Where pray tell can one get
    Sodium Sulfite in a drug or hardware store?

    I can get generic Tylenol, I can get Sodium Hydroxide from a soap maker,
    but I can't get Sodium Sulfite except from a photographic supply company,
    and there are none.

    The best I can do from a supermarket or drugstore is Tylenol and sodium
    bicarbonate. :-(

    Geoff.
     
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jun 11, 2006
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    Rod Smith Guest

    I did say "and the like." I've heard of sodium sulfite being purchased in
    pool supply stores, as it's used in some pool-maintenance products. If
    this is true (I've never verified it), it might be available in some
    hardware stores.
     
    Rod Smith, Jun 12, 2006
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    John Guest

    Price list ?

    BTW, my company has now opened up two operations in Canada. My manager
    left and is heading your way. We got him a snow shovel as a going away
    present. I offered to take his short sleeve shirts off his hands but
    he has hopes of returning to the corporate HQ someday ;>)


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    Mike Guest

    Sodium sulfite is sold to lower chlorine levels in swimming pools.

    Mike
     
    Mike, Jun 12, 2006
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    John Guest

    An AQ mix can't be as simple and as effective of a developer as simple
    D23.

    D23 is more stable
    D23 is easier to mix
    D23 is less expensive

    Unfortunately environmentalist whackos seem to think that they know
    enough about chemistry to state that Elon or hydroquinone are bad when
    they don't know how "bas" Phenidone derivatives might be.


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    John Guest

    No doubt. Cost containment is the most significant reaction of people
    who don't know anything about business. As evidenced by recent
    developments in companies that have outsourced a significant amount of
    their workforce to third world countries, cost-containment is very
    secondary to have a customer in the first place.

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    John, Jun 12, 2006
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    Lloyd Erlick Guest

    . I offered to take his short sleeve shirts
    off his hands but

    June 12, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

    He'll need those shirts here. Winter may be
    too cold, but summer is too hot. For a few
    days twice a year you don't need a furnace or
    an air conditiner. Global warming seems to be
    making Toronto much more tropical in summer.
    So far, the winters are getting milder.

    regards,
    --le
    ________________________________
    Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
    website: www.heylloyd.com
    telephone: 416-686-0326
    email:
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    Lloyd Erlick, Jun 12, 2006
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