Kodak-- No further longterm investment in film

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by Gordon Moat, Sep 25, 2003.

  1. How much (yen or dollars US) is the PX-G900?
    William Graham, Oct 9, 2003
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  2. Street price appears to be 44,900 yen, which is a tad over US$400. (Although
    the actual price is that plus 5% tax less 13% in-store credit, putting it
    well under US$400.)

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 9, 2003
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  3. It's amazing how the price of good printers has come down in the last 2 or 3
    years.....This is a 1-1/2 picolitre printer....They used to cost several
    thousand dollars, (if you could get them at all) only a few years ago.....
    William Graham, Oct 9, 2003
  4. Gordon Moat

    Fool Speck Guest

    Naw, they have been testing archivability using heat and intense
    ultraviolet in color paper/film for years. When color film came out,
    there were fading problems with some of the emulsions (Kodachrome
    actually being one of the best). It is the exact same kind of cycle
    with printer inks.

    The state of Arizona set up a program a few years ago going digital
    with their drivers licenses. They used wax-infusion printing! LOL!
    Wax and Arizona heat -- my drivers license picture lasted about 4

    Steve Lowther
    Fool Speck, Oct 11, 2003
  5. Gordon Moat

    Fool Speck Guest

    Your Kodachrome slides will fair well, but your Ektachrome slides will
    show color shifting and fading. It is best to try to digitally
    preserve at least your more valuable slides now. But, <sigh>, that is
    just another project to hang over your head... right? ;)

    Steve Lowther
    Fool Speck, Oct 11, 2003
  6. I have no doubts they will eventually resolve these issues "provided they are inclined
    to do so" but I must wonder how long, and how many otherwise repudiable photographers
    works will be lost because they chose a media which basically in its infancy.

    Like said as well I really don't consider color anything to be "" unquote archival.
    Gregory W. Blank, Oct 11, 2003
  7. Gordon Moat

    Frank ess Guest

    Recently I opened some boxes of 40+ year old slides. They had been stored in
    air-tight, light-tight containers.

    The Kodak-processed Kodachromes were immaculate. The Ektas were mildly faded
    toward blue. A few independent-processed boxes were faded straight (no
    consistent color shift; no identity on the film, yet).

    On the other hand, I have some 20-year-old Kodachromes, stored in the same
    kind of environment, that have been hit by mold, with 20% of the frame in
    10% of the slides having the emulsion eaten off the base. I can't see why
    the mold chose some and left neighboring slides untouched.

    Any road, aside from the drudgery of scanning, it feels good to have them on
    CDRs stored in air-tight, light-tight containers. What will I be copying
    them to in another 15-20 years?

    Frank ess
    Frank ess, Oct 11, 2003
  8. If I remember correctly, people were printing ink on paper well
    before photography was invented. As in, at least two and a half
    centuries. Printing, paper, binder coatings, and inks is not a
    new game, and it makes very little difference if the ink comes
    out of a piezo controlled nozzle or is pressed down through a
    screen. The technical challenges of the printing mechanism are
    different of course, but the medium isn't new. At least not
    compared to photographic materials.

    You can argue that the printing processes of 1793, or 1893
    aren't the same as the ones today. By the same token, it can
    be argued that the color photographic papers and emulsions of
    1993 aren't the same as the ones today. The only difference
    is the scope of experience -- you're arguing that somehow the
    experience of decades outweighs the experience of centuries...

    We should all be open to discussing the pros and cons of
    various materials and processes, and view claims with a critical
    eye. But not based on the pseudo-argument that photography was
    around before printing, or that it has more history or
    tradition. That's just plain silly!
    Jan Brittenson, Oct 11, 2003
  9. Kind of a problem since your License in Arizona is good until you retire.

    Mine does not expire until 2027

    Gary J Bevans, Oct 11, 2003
  10. Gordon Moat

    Fool Speck Guest

    Yes, you are absolutely right! But never underestimate the capability
    of bureaucracy to make you responsible for their blunders. A
    policeman can now issue a citation for an illegible drivers license,
    not to mention the hassle you run into at airport security! ;^)

    Steve Lowther
    Fool Speck, Oct 13, 2003
  11. Gordon Moat

    Loren Coe Guest

    most are 6x6 Ektachrome, a few 35mm Kodachrome.
    actually, i jut bot that Minolta deal, $300 for the model II. so
    it looks like i will be pressing it into service a little sooner
    than planned. thanks, --Loren
    Loren Coe, Oct 13, 2003
  12. Gordon Moat

    Rafe B. Guest

    For how long have offset presses been printing color?

    For how long have contone color images been printed
    with dyes?

    I appreciate the pep talk, but there still are, really are,
    some hard technical issues regarding color gamut vs.
    image longevity with inkjet prints.

    No point blowing them out of proportion, but the problems
    are real. And I imagine in due course they will be resolved.

    rafe b.
    Rafe B., Oct 14, 2003
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