Kodak to stop making digital cameras

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Alan Browne, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. Alan Browne

    Guest Guest

    shit, don't scare me like that. :)
    it's not a back door. if multiple similar products all are priced about
    the same, then that just reinforces what the market says is the
    appropriate price for such a product.
     
    Guest, Feb 23, 2012
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  2. Alan Browne

    tony cooper Guest

    I have just as much evidence as you do about the veracity of the
    statement. I suspect that Apple does use the lowest priced parts in
    some cases. There are certain parts that go into any product where
    the lowest priced parts are acceptable.
    I'm sure Bernie Madoff told his investors that his investment schemes
    were completely reliable. Ivan Kreuger certainly told investors in
    his match company a few porkies.

    Who are they? I have never bashed Apple.
     
    tony cooper, Feb 23, 2012
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  3. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Any intel Mac can be loaded with any x86 distro (attention to whether
    the 64 bit distro will run requires a little attention to the actual
    hardware).

    Pretty much all PPC Macs have a Linux distro available for them. Maybe
    not the particular Linux distro you prefer.

    With VMWare Fusion I run Mac OS X and WinXP at the same time.

    Indeed, when I had Linux installed under Fusion I could run Mac OS X,
    Windows and Linux all at the same time. (Though there was no good
    reason to do so other than to see how well it would work).
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 23, 2012
  4. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    If you take 3 imacs, each broken in a different way, but amongst them
    enough parts to make a complete working unit, then you have repaired one
    of them with parts from others. In a legal sense, the "nameplate"
    bearing part that survives is the repaired unit.

    There is no requirement at all that a Mac be repaired with new parts,
    nor for that matter, with parts from Apple.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 23, 2012
  5. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    The fun of it. I've run OS X, Win XP and Ubuntu simultaneously on my
    iMac, swapped files between them (drag and drop), run busy/memory hungry
    apps on each to load the system - just to see where it would all bog
    down. (I've since removed Linux).
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 23, 2012
  6. Alan Browne

    tony cooper Guest

    Yes, in a way. That assumes that products are equal in features and
    benefits, though. So, if Apple comes out with a Widget, and Acme
    Computer develops a Widget, and both are priced comparably, are you
    willing to agree that Acme's Widget is equal to Apple's Widget in
    quality, features, and benefits?

    If Acme's unit has fewer features and benefits, they may initially set
    their price equal to Apple's just to ride the "I have to have the new
    thing" market factor. After skimming the initial fervor of a new
    thing, Acme will lower their price, offer rebates, or otherwise be
    more competitive price-wise.
     
    tony cooper, Feb 23, 2012
  7. Alan Browne

    Mxsmanic Guest

    What's the serial number of that unit?
     
    Mxsmanic, Feb 23, 2012
  8. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    I meant the manufacturers plate where the S/N appears. If there is no
    such (there isn't that I can see on this Mac), then it would be the S/N
    that appears when you bring up system info - which is likely stored on
    the CPU card and probably printed on that board.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 23, 2012
  9. Alan Browne

    Savageduck Guest

    The serial number is going to be whenever the "System Profiler" can be
    accessed, so you can discover which of the three cannibalized Macs
    inherited the "Serial Number", both physically on the case, and
    digitally after you have been able to boot up. It would probably be
    best to use that number.

    To reassure yourself, you could always add the serial number plates
    from the two recessive donors, as a memorial to their sacrifice, so one
    might live.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 23, 2012
  10. If you asked buyers here in the UK I think you would get the reaction that
    the products (iPad etc.) are overpriced, but the buyers have no other
    option if they want the products. It may be a slight difference in usage
    of the term "overpriced", or it may be the practice of companies equating
    dollar and pound prices coupled with the lower disposable income over
    here.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Feb 24, 2012
  11. Alan Browne

    tony cooper Guest

    Believe me, I see the point. But, I'm business-school trained
    (Indiana University and Northwestern University) and have had the
    above definition of "overpriced" drummed into my head, so I tend to
    call what some call "overpriced" as "more money than I want to spend
    on this product". So, I have to say that something that the public is
    willing to buy in volume at the price cannot be "overpriced" but it
    can be more than the person wants to spend.

    I know a person who is a Paramedic and works 24 hour shifts riding in
    an ambulance. People in that job often sit for hours in the ambulance
    waiting for a call. The ambulances are parked at various points
    around the city and the closest ambulance is dispatched when one is
    required. They generally park near a McDonald's or a motel where they
    can access public wi-fi.

    He purchased a Kindle Fire. It allows him to read a book, watch
    movies, check his email, do whatever people do with Facebook, or watch
    television programs on Hulu. He bought the Kindle Fire for $120 from
    an individual. It's more convenient to use than a laptop, but doesn't
    have some of the features of an iPad. The difference in price,
    though, was "more than he was willing to spend". He's quite happy
    with the product.
     
    tony cooper, Feb 24, 2012
  12. Believe me, I see the point. But, I'm business-school trained
    So for him, at least, the iPad was overpriced (for his needs).

    I suppose at least part of my feeling for the "overpriced" tag is based on
    the manufacturing cost of the device, and what I could also buy for the
    same price (flights, holidays, cameras, TVs etc). Were I selling iPads, I
    would likely also charge as much as the market would stand. From your
    experience, you might call that "knowing the market".

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Feb 24, 2012
  13. Alan Browne

    Whisky-dave Guest

    I can compare two monitors side by side, I can use photographs too,
    but as the friend I was showing doesn;t do photography but goes to the
    cinema
    and the threatre, I was using a few DVD he brought over to 'test the
    monitors.
    he brought these because he has seen them on his £500+ LG TV,
    which some might say is over priced but when I see it I can
    understanbd why he chose
    it over the cheaper TVs availbe at the checkout in local supermarkets
    for a 1//4 of the price.



    en on
    That's, why skin tones are a good choice, which I would assume you'd
    appreciate chatting on a photography NG.
    But looking at explosions and fast moving things can also test the
    monitor and you can compare a monitor to a TV

    I had it at home for a month and had done the basic setup for the uses
    it was put.
    One trouble with the monitor is that you can;t use the native mac
    software to control
    brightness/contrast, but as it has controls on teh monitor it's no big
    deal to adjust.
    Defing correctly are you sayingn on you monitor or PC you have to
    reset the controls depending on
    whether you're watching DVDs, youtube, photographs etc... ?

    The most I do on the imac is adjust brightenss occasionally and that's
    mor eto do with ambient light setting
    than anything else.
     
    Whisky-dave, Feb 24, 2012
  14. Alan Browne

    Whisky-dave Guest

    I was incharge of a computer lab with BBC micros which were getting a
    bit old
    and around 1987 we started buying Macs for teaching labs and that was
    when I
    was first introduced to them. Not sure I liked them at first they
    seemed slow
    and only monochrome, but a week later someone crowbared the door ansd
    stole
    a dozen of tehm and a couple of imagewriters. Apprenty;l they came
    with a van,
    they didn;t take anything else like the BBCs or the epson PCs which I
    think we also had.
    The problems start when you are managed by people that don;t know what
    they are doing.
    PCs are better because they are cheaper and we can buy more for the
    money......
    Can't argue with more for the money, but don;t see that as equal to
    best option.


    I know the differnce, the good cars have iPod/iPhone docking stations
    as standard .
    And attractive young women either drive them or sit on the bonnets in
    not alot of clothes. :)
     
    Whisky-dave, Feb 24, 2012
  15. Many thanks for that clarification, Dave.

    I was mostly concerned that you had simply looked at a display monitor in
    a shop, as I've never seen one correctly set up (nor any TVs at whatever
    price, at least in the stores I visit!). Certainly, if you are really
    familiar with the source material, that's a good start, and having
    evaluated for a period of time in your own environment makes me much
    happier with your comparison.

    By adjustments, I only meant from the default shop or out-of-the-box
    settings. Once correctly adjusted on installation, I never need to alter
    the monitors here.

    "Skin tones" are fine providing you know what they are supposed to be!
    There is a huge variation of course, and my concern had also been that
    judging cinematically "adjusted" material would not provide the "correct"
    colours, so there could have been multiple unknowns in the tests. I hope
    you appreciate my concerns.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Feb 24, 2012
  16. Alan Browne

    Whisky-dave Guest

    So how come so many are sold.
    In fact with the iPhone customers were limted to two each.
    You don;t do that with overpriced products.
    If you buy one and get one free for me that means the product was over-
    priced.


    Yes and when you have more demand than supply that can tell you
    something
    at any price.
    with good products yuo can charge more because peole understand their
    worth.
    Thats' why i rarely see mony on teh floor but lots of dog shit and
    litter,
    people do know of what is of value to them, marketers will try to
    tempt you
    con you and claim your sex life will improve but I don;t think that
    appiles
    to compters or the products Apple sells. Such ads might work on car
    buyers
    or watch buyers.
    and under-priced to others.
    A good point, but I don;t think it's a valid as you think.
    It is often difficult to decide whether somethingn is over-priced,
    I think jewlery is well over priced, I think teh mona-lisa is over-
    priced
    it's just a picure isn;t it.
     
    Whisky-dave, Feb 24, 2012
  17. Alan Browne

    Whisky-dave Guest

    That is obvious in fact a few years ago PC venders abd aple were
    caught ouyt by buying cheap
    fake parts from china. I can only assume someone in marking saw
    cheaper capacitors and came to the conclusion
    that the ones they previously used were over-priced so went for teh
    cheaper ones.
    It happens with range of products from jewlery to drugs, from
    computers to prostitues.
    They will always be those see as over-priced and those that are
    affortable while others are cheap or best value.

    I see texting as over-priced, but 1000s pay what I see as a fortune
    for free texts and phone calls.
    As an example my phone bill calls is about £4 a month while others get
    500 free minutes
    infinate texts and fopr only £45 quid or so a month !!!!!!! 10 times
    what I pay, how is that good value
    unless you really believe telling your mates you're running late is
    worth £40 a month, just do things on time and you'll save £40 !!!
     
    Whisky-dave, Feb 24, 2012
  18. Alan Browne

    Whisky-dave Guest

    What's the serial number of home built PCs ?

    if you install W7 on a PC and the mother boardcdies youm can;t ealsiy
    install your W7
    on a new mother bouaght due to licencing, I think that;s true for the
    home/student version
    as I had someone ask me about it.
     
    Whisky-dave, Feb 24, 2012
  19. Alan Browne

    Pete A Guest

    And a SAT NAV for drivers who can't be bothered to learn how to map read.
    Buses and trains are very poorly designed for that, unfortunately.
     
    Pete A, Feb 24, 2012
  20. Alan Browne

    Bruce Guest


    No need any more for an independent SatNav, when there is a TomTom app
    for iPhone, plus Google's excellent Navigation app which is free to
    all Android phone users and is regularly updated with new mapping,
    also free of charge.

    So all you need is a mounting bracket and charger for your phone.
     
    Bruce, Feb 24, 2012
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