Kodak to stop selling film cameras

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by Phil Glaser, Jan 14, 2004.

  1. Phil Glaser

    Phil Glaser Guest

    According to this story on slashdot
    (http://slashdot.org/articles/04/01/13/2310200.shtml?tid=126&tid=137),
    Kodak has announced that it plans to stop selling film cameras (except
    for single-use film cameras). The discussion that ensues on slashdot
    (see the above link) mirrors many of the digital versus film
    discussions from this group. I personally agree with the argument by
    one of the posters about the cost of digital versus film equipment.

    In any case, I wouldn't expect Kodak to announce the end of film
    production any time soon . . .

    --Phil
     
    Phil Glaser, Jan 14, 2004
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  2. The slashdot post originated from a Reuters news report on msnbc,
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3948032/,

    That originated from a Kodak press release,
    http://www.kodak.com/cgi-bin/US/en/corp/pressCenter/headlines.cgi.

    To tell the truth, I didn't even know they still made
    non-disposable cameras. I don't think anyone will
    miss their exit.

    The salient points of Kodak's press release are:
    Well, that _is_ where the growth is.
    And Bangalore is where my job is ...
    Probably more C-41, ho hum ...
    consumer demand;

    That must be what, two rolls a week?
    And, that will get it down to one roll a week, right quick.
    in the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe by the end of 2004.

    Will anybody notice?

    * * *

    Then there is the Reuters story (Portions quoted for review
    purposes):
    The lead sentence puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?
    Seems investors read press releases before they read Reuters.

    Reuters goes on to say:
    And now Advantix, "most importantly", joins the Instamatic . . .
    I guess one could say even reloadable Advantix cameras
    were one-time-use.

    Kodak needs to fire their marketing department, not their
    chemists.
    Spread the blame around.
    Nobody went broke underestimating the intelligence . . .
    The "Big Lie" theory of sculpting public opinion.
    Now, how do we get the Chinese interested in Kodachrome 25?
    They seem to be the folks Kodak listens to now.
    Disposables are "feature-rich"?????
    Kodak seems to believe there is a difference: And I believe
    _this_ is the root cause of Kodak's troubles.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jan 14, 2004
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  3. They did say that they were going to introduce new HIGH END 35mm and APS
    cameras this year. Probably made in China, where even Nikon makes their
    non SLR film cameras.


    Geoff.
     
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jan 14, 2004
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  4. They _did_? Either we are reading different press releases or I'm
    blind.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jan 14, 2004
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  5. Phil Glaser

    Mark A Guest

    Kodak has not made a 35mm camera since the Exacta, which I believe was
    discontinued in the 1960' or there abouts. Kodak is a consumables company,
    not a hardware company. Any cameras that they did make (like Instamatics)
    were sold at break-even or a loss in order to sell film. To the extent
    possible, the will concentrate on digital consumables, although there are
    fewer consumables in digital (or there will be once people get over the
    habit of making prints and make CD's instead). So they are in-between a rock
    and hard place.
     
    Mark A, Jan 14, 2004
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  6. Phil Glaser

    jjs Guest

    Exata? A typo, correct?

    I don't think Kodak USA has made a high end camera _ever_. Weren't the good
    ones made in Germany?
     
    jjs, Jan 14, 2004
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  7. Phil Glaser

    Norman Worth Guest

    You need to go back a ways. Ektra (the original, not the 110 model),
    Medalist, Chevron, some early folding cameras. The Ektra was a 35mm
    rangefinder that was arguably better than the Leica of its day (late 30s).
     
    Norman Worth, Jan 15, 2004
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  8. Phil Glaser

    Norman Worth Guest

    Interesting that they intend to introduce new 35mm films. Their previous
    press release said that they would stop work on new consumer films. Is this
    the tail end of their old work, or are these new professional films?

     
    Norman Worth, Jan 15, 2004
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  9. If it's an APS film I'd lay odds it's consumer. And Kodak probably
    considers "MAX 800" to be "High Performance". What they mean my
    the above quote is anybody's guess.

    Kodak makes at least one film exclusively for 3rd world/east-
    block countries: "Kodak Academy":

    http://www.foto.ru/?prod_id=2214&from=sight_coop
    http://wwwhu.kodak.com/HU/hu/professional/professionalFilmsAcademy.shtml

    Reputed to be pretty horrid stuff.

    Maybe the new emulsions are better able to withstand high heat
    and humidity and/or Siberian winters?
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jan 15, 2004
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  10. Phil Glaser

    jjs Guest

    It was made in Germany, no?
     
    jjs, Jan 15, 2004
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  11. Phil Glaser

    Norman Worth Guest

    No. Strictly Rochester. The idea was to prove that Kodak could make a world
    class camera. I understand they lost money on each one.
     
    Norman Worth, Jan 15, 2004
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