Kodak wins a billion dollar lawsuit

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by Mike Henley, Oct 3, 2004.

  1. Most people assume they are buying a drink to ingest, not a skin
    liquifying agent. I have been in McDonald's at times in the past and I
    recall once being sat and feeling immensely unsettled when a young
    girl (young means late teens or early twenties) carrying a cup of
    coffee was negotiating her way between crowded chairs, passing with
    some struggle with that visibly-hot, just-served cup over my head
    while her sight and attention were engaged on one of the loud,
    jestering, fratboy-type male companions at the table she was
    energetically making her way back to. Had that coffee been spilt over
    the back of my neck I definitely don't want it to be scalding.

    I'm sure a corporation the size of McDonald's can consult a
    professional with expertise, maybe a dermatologist, on what a safe
    temperature for the coffee might be.[/QUOTE]

    God set that when he created a world that turns water into a gas at 100
    degrees C. As long as the coffee is a liquid, its not too hot to serve to
    any person competent enough to be outside of an institution.......
    William Graham, Oct 9, 2004
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  2. As I said to a guy circulating a petition to legalize medicinal marijuana
    once, " Life is a terminal disease. Everyone who has ever lived has, or
    will, die. We should all be allowed to partake of medicinal marijuana." (I
    signed his petition.)
    William Graham, Oct 9, 2004
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  3. I stand, or, more properly, sit, corrected. I listened to her press
    conference, and I thought she said she was dropping the appeal.
    Obviously, either I misheard or misremembered, or she changed her
    Pete McCutchen, Oct 10, 2004
  4. OF course, if you put that same liquid in an insulated container with a
    closed top... burntacular!
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  5. No, you cannot see this from different eyes. The person in question
    suffered 3rd degree burns. I don't expect 3rd degree burns from my
    beverages, the same way I don't expect rat poison in my cereal.
    I'm sure you'll get by just fine with coffee that won't cause
    disfiguring scars.

    Oh, ever hear of this thing called a THERMOS? They're great for keeping
    things warm.
    What are you on about now? Sheesh.
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  6. Yes. File a class action suit against the woman who won $400K on behalf of
    all the coffee drinkers in the US who expect their coffee to be as hot as
    possible in the morning. Each one might get about 25 cents...........
    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004
  7. Again, HOT isn't the issue. Dangerously hot is. McDonald's coffee was
    dangerously hot. And don't give me the "Oh, my coffee will get cold!"
    line. I have to wait at least a half hour to get take out coffee to
    cool down to a drinkable temperature. If I need to drag it out further
    I'll bring a goddamned insulated carafe.

    You'll the only one stupid enough to believe that the woman burned was
    somehow responsible for the temperature of the coffee being hot enough
    to cause serious burns.

    Oh, I still see McDonald's around today. Doesn't look like they went
    out of business, and people still buy their coffee, even though it isn't
    hot enough to scald them into a cushy lawsuit. Stop crying, Chicken
    Libertarian, the sky is not falling.
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  8. Amazing fact checking ability, doofus!
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  9. Coffee at a reasonable temperature, yes. But let's not forget that
    coffee is 99% water, and that water can certainly cause 3rd degree burns
    at temperatures below the boiling point.
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  10. Exceedingly hot temperatures. Again, most people find coffee that is
    120 degrees Fahrenheit to be painfully hot. If you're serving that
    coffee closer to 170 or 180 degrees (enough to cause serious, serious
    burns) you are negligent. That simple.

    Get a law book. Look up due diligence. Then shut up.
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  11. Even if you DO put a cup of coffee between your legs, it is not
    reasonable to assume 3rd degree burns will result. Coffee is meant to
    be drinkable, not a method of burning yourself.

    I think we've all mildly burned ourselves with hot coffee. But the
    coffee in question was hotter than that. It was dangerously hot and the
    woman required extensive skin grafts and incurred massive medical bills.
    This accident was easily avoidable on two fronts: #1: The woman could
    have avoided placing the coffee in her lap and #2: McDonald's could have
    kept the coffee at a safe temperature. #2 is not moot because of #1.
    The first instance would have been a minor inconvenience had the coffee
    been at a reasonable temperature.
    The temperatures were well established in the case. Most coffees, soups
    and such are painfully hot at 120 degrees Fahrenheit. The McDonald's
    coffee in question was between 170 and 180 degrees Fahrenheit. The
    difference? A trip to the hospital.
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  12. You know, the legal precedents that allowed the McDonald's case to go to
    court (and the subsequent ruling) are hundreds of years old. Damn the
    founding fathers! Those liberal bastards with their trial by jury!
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  13. See what? - No matter what kind of tyres you have, you can drive too fast
    with them, and lose it on a curve. Anyone who does this should have to
    suffer the consequences. Only Ralph Nader can muster up enough money and
    lawyer friends to stop a whole corporation from producing a perfectly good
    automobile that had the potential of competing with Porsche, and go back to
    making the tanks that they made for over 50 years......
    When you drive, you take risks. One of these risks is that you will
    leave the road and crash and burn. If you are not willing to take that risk,
    you should be walking. I certainly don't want to have my whole life style
    changed and have to live like an idiot, just because somewhere out there
    there exists an idiot that has to be protected at all costs. Millions and
    millions of reasonable people have to suffer being treated like idiots, just
    to save the lives of a few idiots? This is not the world I would like to
    live in. As luck would have it, I have lived most of my life in a different
    world than this. I pity those who are being born today, and will have to
    live their lives in a padded cell, because somewhere, somehow, there exists
    someone who is too stupid to survive outside of a padded cell, and that
    person, whomsoever he/she might be, must be protected from themselves, no
    matter how miserable it makes all the rest of the population.
    Look. We will all die. None of us can possibly live forever. What does
    it matter if you die one minute after you are born, or if you live to be
    100? You didn't exist for an infinity of time before you were born, and you
    will not exist for an infinity of time afterward. Also, there are an
    infinite number of people who will never be born, and will never exist at
    all. Surely you must see that there is a limit to how much trouble to which
    society should go to preserve life. Preserving it by making everyone else
    miserable is going way too far. Let it go.....Let the ones who are too
    stupid to survive in this world slip away into oblivion. It is better for
    them, and for us. We are all going there sooner or later anyway, so what is
    the purpose of preserving their existence at great expense to the rest of
    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004

    Water doesn't have to be boiling to burn you severely. And it doesn't
    need to be over 120 degrees Fahrenheit to be enjoyed "hot".
    Brian C. Baird, Oct 10, 2004
  15. I understand that she will be strip searched, finger printed, photographed,
    and be dressed in khaki colored pants and steel toed black boots. - I
    maintain that some enterprising New York fashion designer should come out
    with a new outfit for the smartly dressed business woman that consists of
    khaki colored pants and black steel toed boots. And every woman in New York
    would buy one of more of these outfits, and wear it to work. Also, they
    should go through a ritual strip searching, fingerprinting, and
    photographing when they arrive there........
    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004
  16. Not the same thing at all. I have never gotten rat poison served up in my
    cereal, but I have gotten (and fully expect to get in the future) boiling
    hot coffee many times. In fact, it comes out of my own microwave over that
    way frequently, and I have never sued myself, or the manufacturer of the
    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004
  17. No, I am not, the only one. Lots of people I know want their coffee served
    as hot as possible, especially if it is served, "to go". I certainly want it
    that way. And yes, I know that it could cause, "serious burns". But I don't
    pour it in my mouth, or on my lap. It cools way too fast as it is. If you
    take a cup of coffee and pour it into your lap right after you get it, you
    should expect it to burn you, and if you do that, you are responsible for
    your own burns, and not the poor slob who sole it to you. Please take
    responsibility for your own stupidity, and don't expect the rest of the
    world to make corrections for it.
    Oh, I see.....That makes it all right to steal. It's OK, because you are
    just stealing from some rich person. They all got their money by stealing
    from the poor, downtrodden masses anyway, right? - So its OK for us to steal
    from them. That's why she won the suit. Because "that's where the money is."

    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004
  18. Well, for one thing, there is no guarantee that your URL contained the
    facts.....Did you exercise, "fact checking ability" on them? For another
    thing, obviously some of the cases were described accurately. The woman who
    sued McDonalds, for example. I still am not saying that your URL is the
    final word on the subject. the only way to be sure is to go to the courts in
    question and get the transcripts for each case. I personally don't have the
    time or energy to do that. Do you?
    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004
  19. If you need a law book to tell you that you can burn yourself on hot coffee,
    then I am very sorry for you. - I don't. I am well aware that hot coffee can
    burn me, and it has happened in the past. It will probably happen again in
    the future. But when it does, I will know that it is my own fault, and I
    won't be suing some third party for my own stupidity.
    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004
  20. Speak for yourself.....As a matter of fact, that's the whole point. You take
    your coffee the way you want, and let me take mine the way I want. Don't
    expect the whole world to have to drink luke warm coffee just because there
    exists some idiot who can't wait until it's cool enough to drink before they
    spill it all over themselves.
    William Graham, Oct 10, 2004
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