Kodak's Marketing Ploy - Kodalk

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by Dan Quinn, Oct 25, 2003.

  1. Dan Quinn

    friend Guest

    aren't you familiar with Eastman Chemicals? Yes, they still are in
    chemicals business.
    friend, Oct 29, 2003
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  2. Dan Quinn

    Jorge Omar Guest

    Yes, what I intended to say was Kodak - the film manufacturer.
    The fact that Eastman does not have the Kodak name anymore may indicate
    there was a spin-off

    Jorge Omar, Oct 29, 2003
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  3. Only half true, I am afraid.

    Kodak had two chemical subsidiaries:

    The one folks knew and loved (if you were an academic, that

    Eastman Organic Chemicals, in Rochester, was one of the premier
    organic chemical companies in the world. The catalog was
    the size of a small phone book, listing tens of thousands
    of compounds. The products were 'general purpose' and not
    targeted at a market/use/industry. Most sales went to
    Universities. This subsidiary was closed -- hideously
    unprofitable and always was. When Kodak hit the skids
    this baby went.

    The evil twin, only of interest to the makers of polyester
    leisure suits and the EPA:

    Eastman Chemicals, in Tennessee, formed during/after WWI to
    make acetate for films when German supplies were cut off
    (See Celanese). They now make plastic feedstock and coatings
    and other market-directed products. They do make a few of EOC's
    chemicals, where there is an industrial use for the chemical,
    and they make some chemicals for color film manufacture and

    This division was spun off in the '90's.
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Oct 29, 2003
  4. Dan Quinn

    Jorge Omar Guest

    The patent is over 50yrs old; typically a patent lasts some 14~17yrs.

    Jorge Omar, Oct 29, 2003

  5. From that website...

    Founded in 1920 to supply basic photographic chemicals for Eastman Kodak
    Company, Eastman Chemical Company became an independent publicly traded
    company in January 1994. The company has approximately 15,800 employees in
    more than 30 countries. Manufacturing sites are strategically located in
    17 different countries to serve markets more efficiently. Sales revenue
    for 2002 was US$5.3 billion.


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  6. Dan Quinn

    friend Guest

    your films are made by eastman kodak company, just read at the bottom
    of a box.
    It is the same company, kodak is a trade mark belonging to eastman
    friend, Oct 30, 2003
  7. This one hit the hard times when the market for custom flouro-phospho
    organics went up the kyber...

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  8. (Dan Quinn) wrote in message

    If Kodalk is no longer available, how is Kodak selling DK-50? and what's in it?
    Michael Scarpitti, Oct 30, 2003
  9. Dan Quinn

    Dan Quinn Guest

    RE: (Michael Scarpitti) wrote
    Mr. Knoppow's one post this thread mentions metaborate and the
    fact that DK-50 has been discontinued.
    I wonder if Kodak ever did use Kodalk in any of it's products.
    The fusion process may have been for Kodalk only and that for
    us domestic sorts. According to the MSDS it is composed of a
    mix of metaborates. How, after a high temperature fusion it
    could contain a hydrated form is beyond me. Enough to make
    a fellow wonder. Dan
    Dan Quinn, Oct 31, 2003
  10. Dan Quinn

    Jorge Omar Guest

    I think they've used it. I had at one time a can of Kodalk - with the
    classic Kodak logo and colors.
    BTW, at this time I did not know Kodalk/metaborate were the same.


    (Dan Quinn) wrote in @posting.google.com:
    Jorge Omar, Oct 31, 2003
  11. Dan Quinn

    John Guest

    High temperature liquid fusion ?



    John S. Douglas, Photographer
    John, Oct 31, 2003
  12. DK-50 is still listed on their web site.


    Michael Scarpitti, Oct 31, 2003
  13. Dan Quinn

    Dan Quinn Guest

    RE: (Michael Scarpitti) wrote
    Tell it to Mr. Knoppow. Dan
    Dan Quinn, Oct 31, 2003
  14. Couldn't that just be a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand
    is doing? Kodak's not a little mom-n-pop company, you know.
    David Nebenzahl, Nov 1, 2003
  15. Dan Quinn

    John Guest

    Kodak has a pratice of leaving items in their catalogs that are no longer
    availalble via retail as they may be avaialble on a special order basis.
    John, Nov 1, 2003
  16. Dan Quinn

    Dan Quinn Guest

    "...may be avaialble on a special order basis."

    Quoting Mr. Knoppow: "discontinued". He also mentions that
    most Kodak developers use organic alkalies. One in Xtol is a penta
    sodium salt of a very exotic acetic acid compound. It's purpose
    may be duel or other than to serve as an alkali.
    Reminds me of WD2D, Wimberly's updated PMC. In it he has
    included what is ordinarily taken to be a chelating agent. He
    states use only distilled water. Saying that I concluded that
    the "agent" was serving primarily as a ph buffer.
    So what is Kodak up to? In Xtol there is metaborate and a
    very lettered sodium salt of an exotic acetic acid.
    Perhaps that many lettered salt is Kodak's latest wonder
    alkali. Goodby Kodalk, hello Exotics.
    Enough to make a fellow feel behind the curve. Dan

    Dan Quinn, Nov 1, 2003
  17. Dan Quinn

    Dan Quinn Guest

    RE: (Dan Quinn) wrote
    That had to do with DK50.
    Distilled water users need not worry. That exotic compound is a
    complexing agent. Or if you prefer and I'm not corrected, a chelating
    or sequestering agent.
    One might think so although the amount is likely very little.
    Some sluthing has revealed the truth of the matter. That very
    lettered sodium salt is DTPA; similar to EDTA, a chelating agent.
    Well now, not quite so far behind. Dan
    Dan Quinn, Nov 12, 2003
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